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What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

Assuming itEdit: Here are some notes based on the answer and comments. Perhaps they will be helpful to future readers.

Let $j$ be an elementary embedding from $R_\lambda$ to $R_\lambda$. Let $X$ be a proper subset of $R_\lambda$. Let $\phi$ be the formula $x\in y$. For each $a$ in $X$, $\phi(a, X)$ holds, and so $j(a)$ is allowedin $j(X)$. Let $Y=\lbrace j(x):x\in X\rbrace$, I am postingthe pointwise application of $j$ to $X$. Then $j(X)=Y\cup K$ where $K$ does not intersect the range of $j$. If $X$ is finite then $K$ is empty. If $X\subset X'$ then $K\subset K'$ where $K'$ corresponds to $X'$ as $K$ does to $X$.

If $X$ is an ordered pair $(x,y)$ then $j(x)$ is the ordered pair $(j(x), j(y))$.

Hence, if $X$ is a scanfunction, then $j(X)$ is the function $Y\cup K$, where $Y$ is the pointwise application of $j$ to $X$ consisting of all ordered pairs $(j(x),j(y)):(x,y)\in X)$. $K$ is also a function whose domain does not intersect the relevant pagerange of $j$.

Now, $j_2$ is the Dehornoyset of ordered pairs Braids book:$(x,j_2(x))$ for definition and lemma in question:$x$ in $R_\lambda$. Hence, $j_1[j_2]$ is the union of the set $\lbrace (j_1(x), j_1(j_2(x)): x\in R_\lambda$ with a function $K$ whose domain does not intersect the range of $j_1$.

This shows at once that for $z$ in the range of $j_1$, that $j_1[j_2](z)=j_1(j_2(j_1^{-1}(z)))$, motivating the self-distributivity of $[]$.

As to the purpose and structure of these $K$, I have no insight.

What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

Assuming it is allowed, I am posting a scan of the relevant page of the Dehornoy Braids book: definition and lemma in question:

What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

Edit: Here are some notes based on the answer and comments. Perhaps they will be helpful to future readers.

Let $j$ be an elementary embedding from $R_\lambda$ to $R_\lambda$. Let $X$ be a proper subset of $R_\lambda$. Let $\phi$ be the formula $x\in y$. For each $a$ in $X$, $\phi(a, X)$ holds, and so $j(a)$ is in $j(X)$. Let $Y=\lbrace j(x):x\in X\rbrace$, the pointwise application of $j$ to $X$. Then $j(X)=Y\cup K$ where $K$ does not intersect the range of $j$. If $X$ is finite then $K$ is empty. If $X\subset X'$ then $K\subset K'$ where $K'$ corresponds to $X'$ as $K$ does to $X$.

If $X$ is an ordered pair $(x,y)$ then $j(x)$ is the ordered pair $(j(x), j(y))$.

Hence, if $X$ is a function, then $j(X)$ is the function $Y\cup K$, where $Y$ is the pointwise application of $j$ to $X$ consisting of all ordered pairs $(j(x),j(y)):(x,y)\in X)$. $K$ is also a function whose domain does not intersect the range of $j$.

Now, $j_2$ is the set of ordered pairs $(x,j_2(x))$ for $x$ in $R_\lambda$. Hence, $j_1[j_2]$ is the union of the set $\lbrace (j_1(x), j_1(j_2(x)): x\in R_\lambda$ with a function $K$ whose domain does not intersect the range of $j_1$.

This shows at once that for $z$ in the range of $j_1$, that $j_1[j_2](z)=j_1(j_2(j_1^{-1}(z)))$, motivating the self-distributivity of $[]$.

As to the purpose and structure of these $K$, I have no insight.

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What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

Assuming it is allowed to do so, I am posting a screenshotscan of the relevant page in question is hereof the Dehornoy Braids book: Dehornoy Braids book, definition 3.1 and lemma 3.2definition and lemma in question:

What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

Assuming it is allowed to do so, a screenshot of the page in question is here: Dehornoy Braids book, definition 3.1 and lemma 3.2

What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

Assuming it is allowed, I am posting a scan of the relevant page of the Dehornoy Braids book: definition and lemma in question:

Added screenshot of the pertinent page of the Dehornoy book
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What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

Assuming it is allowed to do so, a screenshot of the page in question is here: Dehornoy Braids book, definition 3.1 and lemma 3.2

What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

What is meant by the statement and the proof of Lemma 3.2 in Chapter XII of Dehornoy's book Braids and Self-Distributivity?

That lemma states "Assume that $j_1$ and $j_2$ are elementary embeddings of ($R_\lambda$ , $\in$) into itself. Then so is $j_1[j_2]$."

Here, $j_1[j_2]$ was defined in Definition 3.1, where $j_1$ and $j_2$ were elementary embeddings of the limit rank $R_\lambda$ into itself (by "$R_\lambda$" Dehornoy means what other authors call $V_\lambda$, $\lambda$ an ordinal).

$\bigcup_{\gamma\lt\lambda} j_1(j_2\big| R_\gamma)$

The difficulty I have here is that definition 3.1 does not actually define an elementary embedding of $R_\lambda$ into itself. $j_2\big| R_\gamma$ is a set of ordered pairs whose first element ranges over $R_\gamma$, and so $j_1$ of that is a set of ordered pairs whose first element only occurs in the image of $j_1$. In particular, the elementary embedding being defined is not defined for elements of $R_\lambda$ not in the range of $j_1$.

I may have seen some other authors suggest that one can define $j_1[j_2]$ to be the identity on the complement of the range of $j_1$, but Dehornoy does not do this, and this convention would not be consistent with the terminology in the proof of Lemma 3.2 besides.

Similarly, the proof of lemma 3.2 just does not make sense for the same reason.

Assuming it is allowed to do so, a screenshot of the page in question is here: Dehornoy Braids book, definition 3.1 and lemma 3.2

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