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$\DeclareMathOperator\Fin{Fin}$I am trying to understand the notion of "liftings" of Loeb measurable functions to internal, internally measurable functions, and its connection to non-standard hulls of Banach spaces. Apologies for not being too precise with the details below, since that would clutter up the space. The reference is "Nonstandard analysis- Theory and applications" by Arkeryd, Cutland and Henson.

A toy situation is as follows: Suppose $(\Omega,\mathcal{A},{}^*\mu)$ is an internal probability space. That is $\Omega$ is an internal set with a finitely additive measure on an internal algebra of subsets taking values in ${}^*\mathbb{R}$. This can be used to construct a Loeb measure on $\Omega$ which is $\sigma$-additive and takes real values. Given a measurable (using Loeb measure on $\Omega$ and the standard Lebesgue measure on $\mathbb{R}$) function $f:\Omega \to \mathbb{R}$$f\colon\Omega \to \mathbb{R}$, there is a notion of a (unipedal) lifting of $f$ to get an internal function $F:\Omega \to {}^*\mathbb{R}$$F\colon\Omega \to {}^*\mathbb{R}$ such that $F$ and $f$ agree uptoup to infinitesimals uptoup to a Loeb null set. This lifting is not limited to functions to $\mathbb{R}$ but also more general Radon measure spaces $X$. That is, a Loeb measurable $f:\Omega \to X$$f\colon\Omega \to X$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*X$$F\colon\Omega \to {}^*X$ which agrees with $f$ uptoup to standard part.

Meanwhile, given an internal Banach (or even normed linear) space $V$, we can consider its non-standard hull which is $\hat{V}=\Fin(V)/V_0$ where $\Fin(V)$ comprises elements of finite norm, while $V_0$ comprises elements of infinitesimal norm. This is a standard Banach space. My question is: can a Loeb measurable function $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$$f\colon\Omega \to \hat{V}$ be lifted to an internal function $F:\Omega \to V$$F\colon\Omega \to V$ that takes values in $\Fin(V)$ (assuming $f$ is bounded, say) and agrees with $f$ uptoup to $V_0$ (think of it as our standard part function)?

As I understand it, $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$$f\colon\Omega \to \hat{V}$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*\hat{V}$$F\colon\Omega \to {}^*\hat{V}$, at least by what I stated earlier. Here however, I have a more specific internal space and a standard part map given by this non-standard hull construction.

Am I confusing the two notions? At least at the level of $\mathbb{R}$ it all comes together well, since $\hat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_{\mathrm{b}}/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{\inf} = \mathbb{R}$$\widehat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_{\mathrm{b}}/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{\inf} = \mathbb{R}$. But for a general (standard) Banach space $V$, what is the relationship between $\hat{{}^*V}$$\widehat{{}^*V}$ and $V$, and for an internal space, is there a relationship between ${}^*\hat{V}$ and $V$?

$\DeclareMathOperator\Fin{Fin}$I am trying to understand the notion of "liftings" of Loeb measurable functions to internal, internally measurable functions, and its connection to non-standard hulls of Banach spaces. Apologies for not being too precise with the details below, since that would clutter up the space. The reference is "Nonstandard analysis- Theory and applications" by Arkeryd, Cutland and Henson.

A toy situation is as follows: Suppose $(\Omega,\mathcal{A},{}^*\mu)$ is an internal probability space. That is $\Omega$ is an internal set with a finitely additive measure on an internal algebra of subsets taking values in ${}^*\mathbb{R}$. This can be used to construct a Loeb measure on $\Omega$ which is $\sigma$-additive and takes real values. Given a measurable (using Loeb measure on $\Omega$ and the standard Lebesgue measure on $\mathbb{R}$) function $f:\Omega \to \mathbb{R}$, there is a notion of a (unipedal) lifting of $f$ to get an internal function $F:\Omega \to {}^*\mathbb{R}$ such that $F$ and $f$ agree upto infinitesimals upto a Loeb null set. This lifting is not limited to functions to $\mathbb{R}$ but also more general Radon measure spaces $X$. That is, a Loeb measurable $f:\Omega \to X$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*X$ which agrees with $f$ upto standard part.

Meanwhile, given an internal Banach (or even normed linear) space $V$, we can consider its non-standard hull which is $\hat{V}=\Fin(V)/V_0$ where $\Fin(V)$ comprises elements of finite norm, while $V_0$ comprises elements of infinitesimal norm. This is a standard Banach space. My question is: can a Loeb measurable function $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ be lifted to an internal function $F:\Omega \to V$ that takes values in $\Fin(V)$ (assuming $f$ is bounded, say) and agrees with $f$ upto $V_0$ (think of it as our standard part function)?

As I understand it, $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*\hat{V}$, at least by what I stated earlier. Here however, I have a more specific internal space and a standard part map given by this non-standard hull construction.

Am I confusing the two notions? At least at the level of $\mathbb{R}$ it all comes together well, since $\hat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_{\mathrm{b}}/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{\inf} = \mathbb{R}$. But for a general (standard) Banach space $V$, what is the relationship between $\hat{{}^*V}$ and $V$, and for an internal space, is there a relationship between ${}^*\hat{V}$ and $V$?

$\DeclareMathOperator\Fin{Fin}$I am trying to understand the notion of "liftings" of Loeb measurable functions to internal, internally measurable functions, and its connection to non-standard hulls of Banach spaces. Apologies for not being too precise with the details below, since that would clutter up the space. The reference is "Nonstandard analysis- Theory and applications" by Arkeryd, Cutland and Henson.

A toy situation is as follows: Suppose $(\Omega,\mathcal{A},{}^*\mu)$ is an internal probability space. That is $\Omega$ is an internal set with a finitely additive measure on an internal algebra of subsets taking values in ${}^*\mathbb{R}$. This can be used to construct a Loeb measure on $\Omega$ which is $\sigma$-additive and takes real values. Given a measurable (using Loeb measure on $\Omega$ and the standard Lebesgue measure on $\mathbb{R}$) function $f\colon\Omega \to \mathbb{R}$, there is a notion of a (unipedal) lifting of $f$ to get an internal function $F\colon\Omega \to {}^*\mathbb{R}$ such that $F$ and $f$ agree up to infinitesimals up to a Loeb null set. This lifting is not limited to functions to $\mathbb{R}$ but also more general Radon measure spaces $X$. That is, a Loeb measurable $f\colon\Omega \to X$ can be lifted to an internal $F\colon\Omega \to {}^*X$ which agrees with $f$ up to standard part.

Meanwhile, given an internal Banach (or even normed linear) space $V$, we can consider its non-standard hull which is $\hat{V}=\Fin(V)/V_0$ where $\Fin(V)$ comprises elements of finite norm, while $V_0$ comprises elements of infinitesimal norm. This is a standard Banach space. My question is: can a Loeb measurable function $f\colon\Omega \to \hat{V}$ be lifted to an internal function $F\colon\Omega \to V$ that takes values in $\Fin(V)$ (assuming $f$ is bounded, say) and agrees with $f$ up to $V_0$ (think of it as our standard part function)?

As I understand it, $f\colon\Omega \to \hat{V}$ can be lifted to an internal $F\colon\Omega \to {}^*\hat{V}$, at least by what I stated earlier. Here however, I have a more specific internal space and a standard part map given by this non-standard hull construction.

Am I confusing the two notions? At least at the level of $\mathbb{R}$ it all comes together well, since $\widehat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_{\mathrm{b}}/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{\inf} = \mathbb{R}$. But for a general (standard) Banach space $V$, what is the relationship between $\widehat{{}^*V}$ and $V$, and for an internal space, is there a relationship between ${}^*\hat{V}$ and $V$?

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I$\DeclareMathOperator\Fin{Fin}$I am trying to understand the notion of "liftings" of Loeb measurable functions to internal, internally measurable functions, and its connection to non-standard hulls of Banach spaces. Apologies for not being too precise with the details below, since that would clutter up the space. The reference is "Nonstandard Analysis- Theory and Applications""Nonstandard analysis- Theory and applications" by Arkeryd, Cutland and Henson.

A toy situation is as follows: Suppose $(\Omega,\mathcal{A},{}^*\mu)$ is an internal probability space. That is $\Omega$ is an internal set with a finitely additive measure on an internal algebra of subsets taking values in ${}^*\mathbb{R}$. This can be used to construct a Loeb measure on $\Omega$ which is $\sigma$-additive and takes real values. Given a measurable (using Loeb measure on $\Omega$ and the standard Lebesgue measure on $\mathbb{R}$) function $f:\Omega \to \mathbb{R}$, there is a notion of a (unipedal) lifting of $f$ to get an internal function $F:\Omega \to {}^*\mathbb{R}$ such that $F$ and $f$ agree upto infinitesimals upto a Loeb null set. This lifting is not limited to functions to $\mathbb{R}$ but also more general Radon measure spaces $X$. That is, a Loeb measurable $f:\Omega \to X$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*X$ which agrees with $f$ upto standard part.

Meanwhile, given an internal Banach (or even normed linear) space $V$, we can consider its non-standard hull which is $\hat{V}=Fin(V)/V_0$$\hat{V}=\Fin(V)/V_0$ where $Fin(V)$$\Fin(V)$ comprises elements of finite norm, while $V_0$ comprises elements of infinitesimal norm. This is a standard Banach space. My question is: can a Loeb measurable function $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ be lifted to an internal function $F:\Omega \to V$ that takes values in $Fin(V)$$\Fin(V)$ (assuming $f$ is bounded, say) and agrees with $f$ upto $V_0$ (think of it as our standard part function)?

As I understand it, $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*\hat{V}$, at least by what I stated earlier. Here however, I have a more specific internal space and a standard part map given by this non-standard hull construction.

Am I confusing the two notions? At least at the level of $\mathbb{R}$ it all comes together well, since $\hat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_b/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{inf} = \mathbb{R}$$\hat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_{\mathrm{b}}/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{\inf} = \mathbb{R}$. But for a general (standard) Banach space $V$, what is the relationship between $\hat{{}^*V}$ and $V$, and for an internal space, is there a relationship between ${}^*\hat{V}$ and $V$?

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I am trying to understand the notion of "liftings" of Loeb measurable functions to internal, internally measurable functions, and its connection to non-standard hulls of Banach spaces. Apologies for not being too precise with the details below, since that would clutter up the space. The reference is "Nonstandard Analysis- Theory and Applications" by Arkeryd, Cutland and Henson.

A toy situation is as follows: Suppose $(\Omega,\mathcal{A},{}^*\mu)$ is an internal probability space. That is $\Omega$ is an internal set with a finitely additive measure on an internal algebra of subsets taking values in ${}^*\mathbb{R}$. This can be used to construct a Loeb measure on $\Omega$ which is $\sigma$-additive and takes real values. Given a measurable (using Loeb measure on $\Omega$ and the standard Lebesgue measure on $\mathbb{R}$) function $f:\Omega \to \mathbb{R}$, there is a notion of a (unipedal) lifting of $f$ to get an internal function $F:\Omega \to {}^*\mathbb{R}$ such that $F$ and $f$ agree upto infinitesimals upto a Loeb null set. This lifting is not limited to functions to $\mathbb{R}$ but also more general Radon measure spaces $X$. That is, a Loeb measurable $f:\Omega \to X$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*X$ which agrees with $f$ upto standard part.

Meanwhile, given an internal Banach (or even normed linear) space $V$, we can consider its non-standard hull which is $\hat{V}=Fin(V)/V_0$ where $Fin(V)$ comprises elements of finite norm, while $V_0$ comprises elements of infinitesimal norm. This is a standard Banach space. My question is: can a Loeb measurable function $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ be lifted to an internal function $F:\Omega \to V$ that takes values in $Fin(V)$ (assuming $f$ is bounded, say) and agrees with $f$ upto $V_0$ (think of it as our standard part function)?

As I understand it, $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*\hat{V}$, at least by what I stated earlier. Here however, I have a more specific internal space and a standard part map given by this non-standard hull construction.

Am I confusing the two notions? At least at the level of $\mathbb{R}$ it all comes together well, since $\hat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_b/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{inf} = \mathbb{R}$. But for a general (standard) Banach space $V$, what is the relationship between $\hat{{}^*V}$ and $V$, and for an internal space, is there a relationship between ${}^*\hat{V}$ and $V$?

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$\DeclareMathOperator\Fin{Fin}$I am trying to understand the notion of "liftings" of Loeb measurable functions to internal, internally measurable functions, and its connection to non-standard hulls of Banach spaces. Apologies for not being too precise with the details below, since that would clutter up the space. The reference is "Nonstandard analysis- Theory and applications" by Arkeryd, Cutland and Henson.

A toy situation is as follows: Suppose $(\Omega,\mathcal{A},{}^*\mu)$ is an internal probability space. That is $\Omega$ is an internal set with a finitely additive measure on an internal algebra of subsets taking values in ${}^*\mathbb{R}$. This can be used to construct a Loeb measure on $\Omega$ which is $\sigma$-additive and takes real values. Given a measurable (using Loeb measure on $\Omega$ and the standard Lebesgue measure on $\mathbb{R}$) function $f:\Omega \to \mathbb{R}$, there is a notion of a (unipedal) lifting of $f$ to get an internal function $F:\Omega \to {}^*\mathbb{R}$ such that $F$ and $f$ agree upto infinitesimals upto a Loeb null set. This lifting is not limited to functions to $\mathbb{R}$ but also more general Radon measure spaces $X$. That is, a Loeb measurable $f:\Omega \to X$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*X$ which agrees with $f$ upto standard part.

Meanwhile, given an internal Banach (or even normed linear) space $V$, we can consider its non-standard hull which is $\hat{V}=\Fin(V)/V_0$ where $\Fin(V)$ comprises elements of finite norm, while $V_0$ comprises elements of infinitesimal norm. This is a standard Banach space. My question is: can a Loeb measurable function $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ be lifted to an internal function $F:\Omega \to V$ that takes values in $\Fin(V)$ (assuming $f$ is bounded, say) and agrees with $f$ upto $V_0$ (think of it as our standard part function)?

As I understand it, $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*\hat{V}$, at least by what I stated earlier. Here however, I have a more specific internal space and a standard part map given by this non-standard hull construction.

Am I confusing the two notions? At least at the level of $\mathbb{R}$ it all comes together well, since $\hat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_{\mathrm{b}}/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{\inf} = \mathbb{R}$. But for a general (standard) Banach space $V$, what is the relationship between $\hat{{}^*V}$ and $V$, and for an internal space, is there a relationship between ${}^*\hat{V}$ and $V$?

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Loeb Measures and Non-standard Hull of Banach Spaces

I am trying to understand the notion of "liftings" of Loeb measurable functions to internal, internally measurable functions, and its connection to non-standard hulls of Banach spaces. Apologies for not being too precise with the details below, since that would clutter up the space. The reference is "Nonstandard Analysis- Theory and Applications" by Arkeryd, Cutland and Henson.

A toy situation is as follows: Suppose $(\Omega,\mathcal{A},{}^*\mu)$ is an internal probability space. That is $\Omega$ is an internal set with a finitely additive measure on an internal algebra of subsets taking values in ${}^*\mathbb{R}$. This can be used to construct a Loeb measure on $\Omega$ which is $\sigma$-additive and takes real values. Given a measurable (using Loeb measure on $\Omega$ and the standard Lebesgue measure on $\mathbb{R}$) function $f:\Omega \to \mathbb{R}$, there is a notion of a (unipedal) lifting of $f$ to get an internal function $F:\Omega \to {}^*\mathbb{R}$ such that $F$ and $f$ agree upto infinitesimals upto a Loeb null set. This lifting is not limited to functions to $\mathbb{R}$ but also more general Radon measure spaces $X$. That is, a Loeb measurable $f:\Omega \to X$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*X$ which agrees with $f$ upto standard part.

Meanwhile, given an internal Banach (or even normed linear) space $V$, we can consider its non-standard hull which is $\hat{V}=Fin(V)/V_0$ where $Fin(V)$ comprises elements of finite norm, while $V_0$ comprises elements of infinitesimal norm. This is a standard Banach space. My question is: can a Loeb measurable function $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ be lifted to an internal function $F:\Omega \to V$ that takes values in $Fin(V)$ (assuming $f$ is bounded, say) and agrees with $f$ upto $V_0$ (think of it as our standard part function)?

As I understand it, $f:\Omega \to \hat{V}$ can be lifted to an internal $F:\Omega \to {}^*\hat{V}$, at least by what I stated earlier. Here however, I have a more specific internal space and a standard part map given by this non-standard hull construction.

Am I confusing the two notions? At least at the level of $\mathbb{R}$ it all comes together well, since $\hat{{}^*\mathbb{R}}={}^*\mathbb{R}_b/{}^*\mathbb{R}_{inf} = \mathbb{R}$. But for a general (standard) Banach space $V$, what is the relationship between $\hat{{}^*V}$ and $V$, and for an internal space, is there a relationship between ${}^*\hat{V}$ and $V$?