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Asaf Karagila
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I think the following result is related:

Theorem 1(Mack Stanley). Let $L_α$ be a minimal countable standard transitive model of ZFC. There exists a real $x_{nwg}$ having the following three properties:

(1) $x_{nwg} ∈ L_α$.

(2) $L_α[x_{nwg}] \models ZFC$.

(3) $x_{nwg}$ is not definably generic over any outer model of $L_α$ that does not already contain $x_{nwg}$.

Theorem 1(Mack Stanley). Let $L_α$ be a minimal countable standard transitive model of ZFC. There exists a real $x_{nwg}$ having the following three properties:

  1. $x_{nwg}\notin L_α$.

  2. $L_α[x_{nwg}] \models ZFC$.

  3. $x_{nwg}$ is not definably generic over any outer model of $L_α$ that does not already contain $x_{nwg}$.

Indeed Stanley proves something stronger. See his paper ``A Non-generic Real Incompatible with $0^{\#}$''.

But on the other hand, we have partial positive answers as well. For example see Stanley's paper ``Invisible genericity and $0^♯$''.

What is proved in this paper is simply that some instances of any type of non-constructible object are class generic over $L$. See also the paper ''$^*$forcing'' by Garvin Melles.

I think the following result is related:

Theorem 1(Mack Stanley). Let $L_α$ be a minimal countable standard transitive model of ZFC. There exists a real $x_{nwg}$ having the following three properties:

(1) $x_{nwg} ∈ L_α$.

(2) $L_α[x_{nwg}] \models ZFC$.

(3) $x_{nwg}$ is not definably generic over any outer model of $L_α$ that does not already contain $x_{nwg}$.

Indeed Stanley proves something stronger. See his paper ``A Non-generic Real Incompatible with $0^{\#}$''.

But on the other hand, we have partial positive answers as well. For example see Stanley's paper ``Invisible genericity and $0^♯$''. What is proved in this paper is simply that some instances of any type of non-constructible object are class generic over $L$. See also the paper ''$^*$forcing'' by Garvin Melles.

I think the following result is related:

Theorem 1(Mack Stanley). Let $L_α$ be a minimal countable standard transitive model of ZFC. There exists a real $x_{nwg}$ having the following three properties:

  1. $x_{nwg}\notin L_α$.

  2. $L_α[x_{nwg}] \models ZFC$.

  3. $x_{nwg}$ is not definably generic over any outer model of $L_α$ that does not already contain $x_{nwg}$.

Indeed Stanley proves something stronger. See his paper

But on the other hand, we have partial positive answers as well. For example see Stanley's paper

What is proved in this paper is simply that some instances of any type of non-constructible object are class generic over $L$. See also the paper ''$^*$forcing'' by Garvin Melles.

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Mohammad Golshani
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I think the following results areresult is related:

Theorem 1(Mack Stanley). Let $L_α$ be a minimal countable standard transitive model of ZFC. There exists a real $x_{nwg}$ having the following three properties:

(1) $x_{nwg} ∈ L_α$.

(2) $L_α[x_{nwg}] \models ZFC$.

(3) $x_{nwg}$ is not definably generic over any outer model of $L_α$ that does not already contain $x_{nwg}$.

Indeed Stanley proves something stronger. See his paper ``A Non-generic Real Incompatible with $0^{\#}$''.

Theorem 2(Sy Friedman) There is a real $R < 0^{\sharp}$ such that $L$ and $L[R]$ have the same cofinalities and $R$ is not an element of $L[G]$ for any $G$ which is generic for a tame class forcing over a ground model of the form $(L, A)$.

See theorem 5.2 of his book ''Fine structure and class forcing''

But on the other hand, we have partial positive answers as well. For example see Stanley's paper ``Invisible genericity and $0^♯$''. What is proved in this paper is simply that some instances of any type of non-constructible object are class generic over $L$. See also the paper ''$^*$forcing'' by Garvin Melles.

I think the following results are related:

Theorem 1(Mack Stanley). Let $L_α$ be a minimal countable standard transitive model of ZFC. There exists a real $x_{nwg}$ having the following three properties:

(1) $x_{nwg} ∈ L_α$.

(2) $L_α[x_{nwg}] \models ZFC$.

(3) $x_{nwg}$ is not definably generic over any outer model of $L_α$ that does not already contain $x_{nwg}$.

Indeed Stanley proves something stronger. See his paper ``A Non-generic Real Incompatible with $0^{\#}$''.

Theorem 2(Sy Friedman) There is a real $R < 0^{\sharp}$ such that $L$ and $L[R]$ have the same cofinalities and $R$ is not an element of $L[G]$ for any $G$ which is generic for a tame class forcing over a ground model of the form $(L, A)$.

See theorem 5.2 of his book ''Fine structure and class forcing''

But on the other hand, we have partial positive answers as well. For example see Stanley's paper ``Invisible genericity and $0^♯$''. What is proved in this paper is simply that some instances of any type of non-constructible object are class generic over $L$. See also the paper ''$^*$forcing'' by Garvin Melles.

I think the following result is related:

Theorem 1(Mack Stanley). Let $L_α$ be a minimal countable standard transitive model of ZFC. There exists a real $x_{nwg}$ having the following three properties:

(1) $x_{nwg} ∈ L_α$.

(2) $L_α[x_{nwg}] \models ZFC$.

(3) $x_{nwg}$ is not definably generic over any outer model of $L_α$ that does not already contain $x_{nwg}$.

Indeed Stanley proves something stronger. See his paper ``A Non-generic Real Incompatible with $0^{\#}$''.

But on the other hand, we have partial positive answers as well. For example see Stanley's paper ``Invisible genericity and $0^♯$''. What is proved in this paper is simply that some instances of any type of non-constructible object are class generic over $L$. See also the paper ''$^*$forcing'' by Garvin Melles.

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Mohammad Golshani
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I think the following results are related:

Theorem 1(Mack Stanley). Let $L_α$ be a minimal countable standard transitive model of ZFC. There exists a real $x_{nwg}$ having the following three properties:

(1) $x_{nwg} ∈ L_α$.

(2) $L_α[x_{nwg}] \models ZFC$.

(3) $x_{nwg}$ is not definably generic over any outer model of $L_α$ that does not already contain $x_{nwg}$.

Indeed Stanley proves something stronger. See his paper ``A Non-generic Real Incompatible with $0^{\#}$''.

Theorem 2(Sy Friedman) There is a real $R < 0^{\sharp}$ such that $L$ and $L[R]$ have the same cofinalities and $R$ is not an element of $L[G]$ for any $G$ which is generic for a tame class forcing over a ground model of the form $(L, A)$.

See theorem 5.2 of his book ''Fine structure and class forcing''

But on the other hand, we have partial positive answers as well. For example see Stanley's paper ``Invisible genericity and $0^♯$''. What is proved in this paper is simply that some instances of any type of non-constructible object are class generic over $L$. See also the paper ''$^*$forcing'' by Garvin Melles.