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I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is naturally a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$, the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$. In the obvious quotient map, the image of the direct sum is zero. Now, it is enough to show that:

Claim: Any homomorphism $ \phi: {\mathbb Z}^{\infty} \to {\mathbb Z}$ that vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Proof: (I learned this from a book by T.Y.Lam):

For a prime number $p$, let $A_p$ be the set of elements in ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ of the form $(a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)$$(a_0, pa_1, p^2a_2,...)$, i.e. the elements whose $i$-th coordinate is divisible by $p^i$. Any element $x \in A_p$ can be decomposed as

$x= y+z= (a_0, 2a_1, \dots, 2^{n-1}a_{n-1}, 0,0, \dots ) + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$$x= y+z= (a_0, pa_1, \dots, p^{n-1}a_{n-1}, 0,0, \dots ) + p^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, pa_{n+1},..)$

Now, $y$ is in the direct sum, hence $\phi(y)=0$. Also $\phi(z) \in 2^n {\mathbb Z}$$\phi(z) \in p^n {\mathbb Z}$, which implies that $\phi (x) \in \cap_{n=1}^{\infty} 2^n {\mathbb Z} = \{ 0 \}$$\phi (x) \in \cap_{n=1}^{\infty} p^n {\mathbb Z} = \{ 0 \}$

Now, choose two distinct primes $p$ and $q$. Since $\gcd(p^n,q^n)=1$, it is easy to see that $A_p+A_q= {\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$. This implies that $\phi \equiv 0$.

I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is naturally a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$, the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$. In the obvious quotient map, the image of the direct sum is zero. Now, it is enough to show that:

Claim: Any homomorphism $ \phi: {\mathbb Z}^{\infty} \to {\mathbb Z}$ that vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Proof: (I learned this from a book by T.Y.Lam):

For a prime number $p$, let $A_p$ be the set of elements in ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ of the form $(a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)$, i.e. the elements whose $i$-th coordinate is divisible by $p^i$. Any element $x \in A_p$ can be decomposed as

$x= y+z= (a_0, 2a_1, \dots, 2^{n-1}a_{n-1}, 0,0, \dots ) + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$

Now, $y$ is in the direct sum, hence $\phi(y)=0$. Also $\phi(z) \in 2^n {\mathbb Z}$, which implies that $\phi (x) \in \cap_{n=1}^{\infty} 2^n {\mathbb Z} = \{ 0 \}$

Now, choose two distinct primes $p$ and $q$. Since $\gcd(p^n,q^n)=1$, it is easy to see that $A_p+A_q= {\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$. This implies that $\phi \equiv 0$.

I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is naturally a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$, the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$. In the obvious quotient map, the image of the direct sum is zero. Now, it is enough to show that:

Claim: Any homomorphism $ \phi: {\mathbb Z}^{\infty} \to {\mathbb Z}$ that vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Proof: (I learned this from a book by T.Y.Lam):

For a prime number $p$, let $A_p$ be the set of elements in ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ of the form $(a_0, pa_1, p^2a_2,...)$, i.e. the elements whose $i$-th coordinate is divisible by $p^i$. Any element $x \in A_p$ can be decomposed as

$x= y+z= (a_0, pa_1, \dots, p^{n-1}a_{n-1}, 0,0, \dots ) + p^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, pa_{n+1},..)$

Now, $y$ is in the direct sum, hence $\phi(y)=0$. Also $\phi(z) \in p^n {\mathbb Z}$, which implies that $\phi (x) \in \cap_{n=1}^{\infty} p^n {\mathbb Z} = \{ 0 \}$

Now, choose two distinct primes $p$ and $q$. Since $\gcd(p^n,q^n)=1$, it is easy to see that $A_p+A_q= {\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$. This implies that $\phi \equiv 0$.

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Keivan Karai
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I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is naturally a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$, the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$ in which. In the obvious quotient map, the image of the direct sum is mapped to zero. Now, it is enough to show that:

claimClaim: anyAny homomorphism from ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ to ${\mathbb Z}$$ \phi: {\mathbb Z}^{\infty} \to {\mathbb Z}$ that vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Here is a proof for thisProof: (I learned itthis from a book by LamT.Y.Lam):

Since any elementFor a prime number $p$, let $A_p$ be the set of elements in ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ of the form $x= (a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)$$(a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)$, i.e. the elements whose $i$-th coordinate is divisible by $p^i$. Any element $x \in A_p$ can be expresseddecomposed as $x' + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$ with

$x= y+z= (a_0, 2a_1, \dots, 2^{n-1}a_{n-1}, 0,0, \dots ) + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$

Now, $x'$ belonging to$y$ is in the direct sum, any such homomorphism sends suchhence $x$ to zero$\phi(y)=0$. The same argument works if you use powers ofAlso $3$.$\phi(z) \in 2^n {\mathbb Z}$, which implies that $\phi (x) \in \cap_{n=1}^{\infty} 2^n {\mathbb Z} = \{ 0 \}$

Now, sincechoose two distinct primes $gcd(2^n,3^n)=1$$p$ and $q$. Since $\gcd(p^n,q^n)=1$, any element in the direct productit is a sum of two elements of these formseasy to see that $A_p+A_q= {\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$. This implies that $\phi \equiv 0$.

I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$ in which the direct sum is mapped to zero. Now, it is enough to show that

claim: any homomorphism from ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ to ${\mathbb Z}$ vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Here is a proof for this (I learned it from a book by Lam):

Since any element of the form $x= (a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)$ can be expressed as $x' + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$ with $x'$ belonging to the direct sum, any such homomorphism sends such $x$ to zero. The same argument works if you use powers of $3$. Now, since $gcd(2^n,3^n)=1$, any element in the direct product is a sum of two elements of these forms.

I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is naturally a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$, the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$. In the obvious quotient map, the image of the direct sum is zero. Now, it is enough to show that:

Claim: Any homomorphism $ \phi: {\mathbb Z}^{\infty} \to {\mathbb Z}$ that vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Proof: (I learned this from a book by T.Y.Lam):

For a prime number $p$, let $A_p$ be the set of elements in ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ of the form $(a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)$, i.e. the elements whose $i$-th coordinate is divisible by $p^i$. Any element $x \in A_p$ can be decomposed as

$x= y+z= (a_0, 2a_1, \dots, 2^{n-1}a_{n-1}, 0,0, \dots ) + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$

Now, $y$ is in the direct sum, hence $\phi(y)=0$. Also $\phi(z) \in 2^n {\mathbb Z}$, which implies that $\phi (x) \in \cap_{n=1}^{\infty} 2^n {\mathbb Z} = \{ 0 \}$

Now, choose two distinct primes $p$ and $q$. Since $\gcd(p^n,q^n)=1$, it is easy to see that $A_p+A_q= {\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$. This implies that $\phi \equiv 0$.

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I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$ in which the direct sum is mapped to zero. Now, it is enough to show that

claim: any homomorphism from ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ to ${\mathbb Z}$ vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Here is a proof for this (I learned it from a book by Lam):

AsSince any element of the form $x= (a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)= \text{ an element in the direct sum} + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$$x= (a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)$ can be expressed as $x' + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$ with $x'$ belonging to the direct sum,

  any such homomorphism sends such $x$ to zero. The same argument works if you use powers of $3$. Now, since $gcd(2^n,3^n)=1$, any element in the direct product is a sum of two elements of these forms.

I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$ in which the direct sum is mapped to zero. Now, it is enough to show that

claim: any homomorphism from ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ to ${\mathbb Z}$ vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Here is a proof for this (I learned it from a book by Lam):

As $x= (a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)= \text{ an element in the direct sum} + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$,

  any such homomorphism sends $x$ to zero. The same argument works if you use powers of $3$. Now, since $gcd(2^n,3^n)=1$, any element in the direct product is a sum of two elements of these forms.

I think the answer is no. The ultraproduct $U$ is a quotient of ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ the direct product of countably many copies of ${\mathbb Z}$ in which the direct sum is mapped to zero. Now, it is enough to show that

claim: any homomorphism from ${\mathbb Z}^{\infty}$ to ${\mathbb Z}$ vanishes on the direct sum is identically zero.

Here is a proof for this (I learned it from a book by Lam):

Since any element of the form $x= (a_0, 2a_1, 4a_2,...)$ can be expressed as $x' + 2^n (0,0,..,0, a_n, 2a_{n+1},..)$ with $x'$ belonging to the direct sum, any such homomorphism sends such $x$ to zero. The same argument works if you use powers of $3$. Now, since $gcd(2^n,3^n)=1$, any element in the direct product is a sum of two elements of these forms.

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