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Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular).

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure, What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

Thanks for the comment abx@abx. Probably I should be more precise, what I would like to ask is, what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$? For example, the base set is just the diagonal $\Delta_X$ union with the double point set, but as a scheme there should be a non-reduced structure along the non-immersion locus, I suppose. My question was to ask this scheme structure. For example, consider $X,Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ parametrized by $X=(x, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, and $Y=(3x^4, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, with $f\colon (x,y,z,w)\mapsto (x^4+yx^2+zx, y,z,w)$. $X$ is a smooth surface, while $Y$ is not. $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but not local immersion along $(0,0,0,w)$. In this case what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$?

Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular).

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure, What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

Thanks for the comment abx. Probably I should be more precise, what I would like to ask is, what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$? For example, the base set is just the diagonal $\Delta_X$ union with the double point set, but as a scheme there should be a non-reduced structure along the non-immersion locus, I suppose. My question was to ask this scheme structure. For example, consider $X,Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ parametrized by $X=(x, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, and $Y=(3x^4, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, with $f\colon (x,y,z,w)\mapsto (x^4+yx^2+zx, y,z,w)$. $X$ is a smooth surface, while $Y$ is not. $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but not local immersion along $(0,0,0,w)$. In this case what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$?

Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular).

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure, What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

Thanks for the comment @abx. Probably I should be more precise, what I would like to ask is, what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$? For example, the base set is just the diagonal $\Delta_X$ union with the double point set, but as a scheme there should be a non-reduced structure along the non-immersion locus, I suppose. My question was to ask this scheme structure. For example, consider $X,Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ parametrized by $X=(x, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, and $Y=(3x^4, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, with $f\colon (x,y,z,w)\mapsto (x^4+yx^2+zx, y,z,w)$. $X$ is a smooth surface, while $Y$ is not. $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but not local immersion along $(0,0,0,w)$. In this case what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$?

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Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular). For example one can consider $X=\mathbb{C}^2$ with coordinate $x,y$, and $Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ is parametrized by $(x^4, x^2, x^3, y)$, defined by $f$. Take $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} X$ and $Y\to Y\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be diagonal embedding, and $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be the graph embedding of $f$.

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure, What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

  1. Is the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times Y$ just $X$ ?

  2. What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

Thanks for the comment abx. Probably I should be more precise, what I would like to ask is, what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$? For example, the base set is just the diagonal $\Delta_X$ union with the double point set, but as a scheme there should be a non-reduced structure along the non-immersion locus, I suppose. My question was to ask this scheme structure.

Let me explain what I thought. My initialFor example was, for smooth $X$ and non-smooth$Y$consider $X,Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ parametrized by (both n-dimensional$X=(x, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, and $f$ is 1-1$Y=(3x^4, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, surjective with non-immersion locus $Z$), we have the following equation$f\colon (x,y,z,w)\mapsto (x^4+yx^2+zx, y,z,w)$. ($h\colon X\times_Y X\to Y$) $$h_*s(X\times_Y X, X\times X)=c(TY)\cap s(Y, Y\times Y) $$ Now assume that the double point set$X$ is $0$ dimensionala smooth surface, thenwhile $X\times_Y X$$Y$ is disjoint union of two schemes, thus $C_{X\times_Y X} X\times X$ has components over the isolated points and over the diagonalnot. Thus $$s(X\times_Y X, X\times X)=A+ \sum_{\text{P double point}} [P] $$ where $A$$f$ is a class in1-1 and surjective, but not local immersion along $\Delta_X$$(0,0,0,w)$. My initial point was to dig In this case what is the scheme structure of $A$.$X\times_Y X$?

Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular). For example one can consider $X=\mathbb{C}^2$ with coordinate $x,y$, and $Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ is parametrized by $(x^4, x^2, x^3, y)$, defined by $f$. Take $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} X$ and $Y\to Y\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be diagonal embedding, and $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be the graph embedding of $f$.

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure,

  1. Is the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times Y$ just $X$ ?

  2. What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

Thanks for the comment abx. Probably I should be more precise, what I would like to ask is, what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$? For example, the base set is just the diagonal $\Delta_X$ union with the double point set, but as a scheme there should be a non-reduced structure along the non-immersion locus, I suppose. My question was to ask this scheme structure.

Let me explain what I thought. My initial example was, for smooth $X$ and non-smooth$Y$ (both n-dimensional, $f$ is 1-1, surjective with non-immersion locus $Z$), we have the following equation ($h\colon X\times_Y X\to Y$) $$h_*s(X\times_Y X, X\times X)=c(TY)\cap s(Y, Y\times Y) $$ Now assume that the double point set is $0$ dimensional, then $X\times_Y X$ is disjoint union of two schemes, thus $C_{X\times_Y X} X\times X$ has components over the isolated points and over the diagonal. Thus $$s(X\times_Y X, X\times X)=A+ \sum_{\text{P double point}} [P] $$ where $A$ is a class in $\Delta_X$. My initial point was to dig what is $A$.

Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular).

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure, What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

Thanks for the comment abx. Probably I should be more precise, what I would like to ask is, what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$? For example, the base set is just the diagonal $\Delta_X$ union with the double point set, but as a scheme there should be a non-reduced structure along the non-immersion locus, I suppose. My question was to ask this scheme structure. For example, consider $X,Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ parametrized by $X=(x, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, and $Y=(3x^4, -6x^2, 8x^3, w)$, with $f\colon (x,y,z,w)\mapsto (x^4+yx^2+zx, y,z,w)$. $X$ is a smooth surface, while $Y$ is not. $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but not local immersion along $(0,0,0,w)$. In this case what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$?

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Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular). For example one can consider $X=\mathbb{C}^2$ with coordinate $x,y$, and $Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ is parametrized by $(x^4, x^2, x^3, y)$, defined by $f$. Take $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} X$ and $Y\to Y\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be diagonal embedding, and $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be the graph embedding of $f$.

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure,

  1. Is the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times Y$ just $X$ ?

  2. What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X$$Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

Thanks for the comment abx. Probably I should be more precise, what I would like to ask is, what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$? For example, the base set is just the diagonal $\Delta_X$ union with the double point set, but as a scheme there should be a non-reduced structure along the non-immersion locus, I suppose. My question was to ask this scheme structure.

Let me explain what I thought. My initial example was, for smooth $X$ and non-smooth$Y$ (both n-dimensional, $f$ is 1-1, surjective with non-immersion locus $Z$), we have the following equation ($h\colon X\times_Y X\to Y$) $$h_*s(X\times_Y X, X\times X)=c(TY)\cap s(Y, Y\times Y) $$ Now assume that the double point set is $0$ dimensional, then $X\times_Y X$ is disjoint union of two schemes, thus $C_{X\times_Y X} X\times X$ has components over the isolated points and over the diagonal. Thus $$s(X\times_Y X, X\times X)=A+ \sum_{\text{P double point}} [P] $$ where $A$ is a class in $\Delta_X$. My initial point was to dig what is $A$.

Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular). For example one can consider $X=\mathbb{C}^2$ with coordinate $x,y$, and $Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ is parametrized by $(x^4, x^2, x^3, y)$, defined by $f$. Take $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} X$ and $Y\to Y\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be diagonal embedding, and $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be the graph embedding of $f$.

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure,

  1. Is the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times Y$ just $X$ ?

  2. What is the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X$ ?

Let $f\colon X\to Y$ be a morphism between irreducible $\mathbb{C}$-varieties, such that $f$ is 1-1 and surjective, but $df$ fails to be injective along a subvariety $Z$. (This forces $Y$ to be singular). For example one can consider $X=\mathbb{C}^2$ with coordinate $x,y$, and $Y\subset \mathbb{C}^4$ is parametrized by $(x^4, x^2, x^3, y)$, defined by $f$. Take $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} X$ and $Y\to Y\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be diagonal embedding, and $X\to X\times_{\mathbb{C}} Y$ to be the graph embedding of $f$.

My question is, in this case, with the (possible non-reduced) scheme structure,

  1. Is the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times Y$ just $X$ ?

  2. What is the scheme structure of the fiber product $Y\times_{Y\times Y} X\times X=X\times_Y X$ ?

Thanks for the comment abx. Probably I should be more precise, what I would like to ask is, what is the scheme structure of $X\times_Y X$? For example, the base set is just the diagonal $\Delta_X$ union with the double point set, but as a scheme there should be a non-reduced structure along the non-immersion locus, I suppose. My question was to ask this scheme structure.

Let me explain what I thought. My initial example was, for smooth $X$ and non-smooth$Y$ (both n-dimensional, $f$ is 1-1, surjective with non-immersion locus $Z$), we have the following equation ($h\colon X\times_Y X\to Y$) $$h_*s(X\times_Y X, X\times X)=c(TY)\cap s(Y, Y\times Y) $$ Now assume that the double point set is $0$ dimensional, then $X\times_Y X$ is disjoint union of two schemes, thus $C_{X\times_Y X} X\times X$ has components over the isolated points and over the diagonal. Thus $$s(X\times_Y X, X\times X)=A+ \sum_{\text{P double point}} [P] $$ where $A$ is a class in $\Delta_X$. My initial point was to dig what is $A$.

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