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Nice problem! I claim that $\limsup n^2 p(n) = \infty$.

Suppose $k < n/2$ is such that $n-k$ is divisible by $L_k = \text{lcm}(1,2,\dots,k)$. Then if $\pi \in S_n$ has a cycle of length $n-k$ (this happens with probability $1/(n-k)$) then $\text{ord}(\pi) = n-k$, so the probability gets a contribution of $1/(n-k)^2 \geq 1/n^2$ from such $\pi$. Let $K_n$ be the set of all such $k$. Then $p(n) \geq |K_n|/n^2$.

Now the great thing about $n \mapsto K_n$ is that it is "lower semicontinuous on $\widehat{\mathbf{Z}}$". What I mean is this: Suppose $K = K_n$, and let $k = \max K$. Then the condition that $K_n \supset K$ is $L_k$-periodic, so provided we alter $n$ only by multiples of $L_k$, the set $K_n$ can only get bigger. Moreover, note that we would have $n \in K_n$, except for our stipulation that that $k < n/2$. It follows that $$ K_{n + L_n} \supset K_n \cup \{n\}. $$ This shows that $|K_n|$ gets arbitrarily large, which proves the claim.

I have no idea about the $\liminf$! The above argument constructs very particular $n$ (of the shape $n_1 + \dots + n_k$, where each $n_i$ is large and highly divisible in comparison with $n_{i-1}$), and the lower bound is very weak besides (roughly $\log^*(n)/n^2$), so it's tempting to conjecture that the $\liminf$ is finite. But I'm not sure this is supported by the numerics. From the numerics it just looks like we're forgetting something.

Nice problem! I claim that $\limsup n^2 p(n) = \infty$.

Suppose $k < n/2$ is such that $n-k$ is divisible by $L_k = \text{lcm}(1,2,\dots,k)$. Then if $\pi \in S_n$ has a cycle of length $n-k$ (this happens with probability $1/(n-k)$) then $\text{ord}(\pi) = n-k$, so the probability gets a contribution of $1/(n-k)^2 \geq 1/n^2$ from such $\pi$. Let $K_n$ be the set of all such $k$. Then $p(n) \geq |K_n|/n^2$.

Now the great thing about $n \mapsto K_n$ is that it is "lower semicontinuous on $\widehat{\mathbf{Z}}$". What I mean is this: Suppose $K = K_n$, and let $k = \max K$. Then the condition that $K_n \supset K$ is $L_k$-periodic, so provided we alter $n$ only by multiples of $L_k$, the set $K_n$ can only get bigger. Moreover, note that we would have $n \in K_n$, except for our stipulation that that $k < n/2$. It follows that $$ K_{n + L_n} \supset K_n \cup \{n\}. $$ This shows that $|K_n|$ gets arbitrarily large, which proves the claim.

I have no idea about the $\liminf$! The above argument constructs very particular $n$ (of the shape $n_1 + \dots + n_k$, where each $n_i$ is large and highly divisible in comparison with $n_{i-1}$), and the lower bound is very weak besides (roughly $\log^*(n)/n^2$), so it's tempting to conjecture that the $\liminf$ is finite. But I'm not sure this is supported by the numerics. From the numerics it just looks like we're forgetting something.

Nice problem! I claim that $\limsup n^2 p(n) = \infty$.

Suppose $k < n/2$ is such that $n-k$ is divisible by $L_k = \text{lcm}(1,2,\dots,k)$. Then if $\pi \in S_n$ has a cycle of length $n-k$ (this happens with probability $1/(n-k)$) then $\text{ord}(\pi) = n-k$, so the probability gets a contribution of $1/(n-k)^2 \geq 1/n^2$ from such $\pi$. Let $K_n$ be the set of all such $k$. Then $p(n) \geq |K_n|/n^2$.

Now the great thing about $n \mapsto K_n$ is that it is "lower semicontinuous on $\widehat{\mathbf{Z}}$". What I mean is this: Suppose $K = K_n$, and let $k = \max K$. Then the condition that $K_n \supset K$ is $L_k$-periodic, so provided we alter $n$ only by multiples of $L_k$, the set $K_n$ can only get bigger. Moreover, note that we would have $n \in K_n$, except for our stipulation that $k < n/2$. It follows that $$ K_{n + L_n} \supset K_n \cup \{n\}. $$ This shows that $|K_n|$ gets arbitrarily large, which proves the claim.

I have no idea about the $\liminf$! The above argument constructs very particular $n$ (of the shape $n_1 + \dots + n_k$, where each $n_i$ is large and highly divisible in comparison with $n_{i-1}$), and the lower bound is very weak besides (roughly $\log^*(n)/n^2$), so it's tempting to conjecture that the $\liminf$ is finite. But I'm not sure this is supported by the numerics. From the numerics it just looks like we're forgetting something.

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Sean Eberhard
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Nice problem! I claim that $\limsup n^2 p(n) = \infty$.

Suppose $k < n/2$ is such that $n-k$ is divisible by $L_k = \text{lcm}(1,2,\dots,k)$. Then if $\pi \in S_n$ has a cycle of length $n-k$ (this happens with probability $1/(n-k)$) then $\text{ord}(\pi) = n-k$, so the probability gets a contribution of $1/(n-k)^2 \geq 1/n^2$ from such $\pi$. Let $K_n$ be the set of all such $k$. Then $p(n) \geq |K_n|/n^2$.

Now the great thing about $n \mapsto K_n$ is that it is "lower semicontinuous on $\widehat{\mathbf{Z}}$". What I mean is this: Suppose $K = K_n$, and let $k = \max K$. Then the condition that $K_n \supset K$ is $L_k$-periodic, so provided we alter $n$ only by multiples of $L_k$, the set $K_n$ can only get bigger. Moreover, note that we would have $n \in K_n$, except for our stipulation that that $k < n/2$. It follows that $$ K_{n + L_n} \supset K_n \cup \{n\}. $$ This shows that $|K_n|$ gets arbitrarily large, which proves the claim.

I have no idea about the $\liminf$! The above argument constructs very particular $n$ (of the shape $n_1 + \dots + n_k$, where each $n_i$ is large and highly divisible in comparison with $n_{i-1}$), and the lower bound is very weak besides (roughly $\log^*(n)/n^2$), so it's tempting to conjecture that the $\liminf$ is finite. But I'm not sure this is supported by the numerics. From the numerics it just looks like we're forgetting something.