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Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$ as well as sequences (one line notation). For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i}+1)$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

Now it seems to me anecdotally thatI'm interested in estimating the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ is $o(n!)$. WeWe have $$M_{10}\leq 0.35\cdot 10!$$$$M_5\leq 0.32\cdot 5!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.32\cdot 11!$$$$M_6\leq 0.3125\cdot 6!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.27\cdot 12!$$$$M_7\leq 0.294\cdot 7!$$ I'm looking for a good upper bound (not aymptotic) for $M_n$. This$$M_8\leq 0.292\cdot 8!$$ $$M_9\leq 0.282\cdot 9!$$ $$M_{10}\leq 0.2811\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.2753\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.2749\cdot 12!$$ This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. To me it seems $M_n$ is just as hard to compute as this sequence, which is why I'm looking for an estimate. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$ as well as sequences (one line notation). For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i}+1)$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

Now it seems to me anecdotally that the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ is $o(n!)$. We have $$M_{10}\leq 0.35\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.32\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.27\cdot 12!$$ I'm looking for a good upper bound (not aymptotic) for $M_n$. This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$ as well as sequences (one line notation). For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i}+1)$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

I'm interested in estimating the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ We have $$M_5\leq 0.32\cdot 5!$$ $$M_6\leq 0.3125\cdot 6!$$ $$M_7\leq 0.294\cdot 7!$$ $$M_8\leq 0.292\cdot 8!$$ $$M_9\leq 0.282\cdot 9!$$ $$M_{10}\leq 0.2811\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.2753\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.2749\cdot 12!$$ This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. To me it seems $M_n$ is just as hard to compute as this sequence, which is why I'm looking for an estimate. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

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Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$ as well as sequences (one line notation). For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i+1})$$f(b_i)<f(b_{i}+1)$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

Now it seems to me anecdotally that the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ is $o(n!)$. We have $$M_{10}\leq 0.35\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.32\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.27\cdot 12!$$ I'm looking for a good upper bound (not aymptotic) for $M_n$. This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$ as well as sequences (one line notation). For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i+1})$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

Now it seems to me anecdotally that the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ is $o(n!)$. We have $$M_{10}\leq 0.35\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.32\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.27\cdot 12!$$ I'm looking for a good upper bound (not aymptotic) for $M_n$. This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$ as well as sequences (one line notation). For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i}+1)$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

Now it seems to me anecdotally that the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ is $o(n!)$. We have $$M_{10}\leq 0.35\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.32\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.27\cdot 12!$$ I'm looking for a good upper bound (not aymptotic) for $M_n$. This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

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This is something that has come up in my research. Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$ as well as sequences (one line notation). For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i+1})$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

Now it seems to me anecdotally that the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ is $o(n!)$. We have $$M_{10}\leq 0.35\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.32\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.27\cdot 12!$$ I'm looking for a good upper bound (not aymptotic) for $M_n$. This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

This is something that has come up in my research. Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$. For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i+1})$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

Now it seems to me anecdotally that the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ is $o(n!)$. We have $$M_{10}\leq 0.35\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.32\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.27\cdot 12!$$ I'm looking for a good upper bound (not aymptotic) for $M_n$. This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

Fix $n\geq 2$ and let $S_n$ be the symmetric group on $n$ letters with identity $e$. We consider elements of $S_n$ to be bijections $[n]\to [n]$ as well as sequences (one line notation). For $1\leq i<n$, let $s_i$ be the transposition exchanging $i$ and $i+1$. Consider the following algorithm that successively constructs subsets $A_N\subseteq S_n$.

  1. Let $A_0=\{e\}$.
  2. At step $K$, remove the least element from $A_K$ in lexicographical order, say $f\in A_K$, and for each subset $B\subseteq [n-1]$ such that if $B=\{b_1,\ldots,b_m\}$, then $|b_i-b_j|\geq 2$ for all $i\neq j$ and $f(b_i)<f(b_{i+1})$ for all $i$, add the permutation $fs_{b_1}s_{b_2}\cdots s_{b_m}$ to $A_K$. (In weak order, this will add all maximal elements of Boolean algebra intervals with minimal element $f$). After this one removal and all such additions we obtain the set $A_{K+1}$.

Step 2 is repeated until the ultimate set is empty. The penultimate set will contain only the longest element, the reversal permutation.

Now it seems to me anecdotally that the number $M_n$ defined by $$M_n=\max_{K}{|A_K|}$$ is $o(n!)$. We have $$M_{10}\leq 0.35\cdot 10!$$ $$M_{11}\leq 0.32\cdot 11!$$ $$M_{12}\leq 0.27\cdot 12!$$ I'm looking for a good upper bound (not aymptotic) for $M_n$. This will be the amount of space required in my algorithm for computing the sequence http://oeis.org/A006245. I'm mostly interested in $n=16$, since this is the first unknown value. If $M_{16}$ is around $0.27\cdot 16!$, then it's not feasible at the moment to do the computation, whereas if it's $0.2\cdot 16!$ it might be.

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