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Edit: I thought I had a counterexamplean example, but it does not quite work. It answers a different (easier?) question. I will edit this post a bit, make it CommunityWikiCommunity Wiki, and leave it up in a modified form, just in case it is of some interest, or might help to find a complete answer.

If I am not mistaken, For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups have the property that the lower central series terminate at a perfect subgroup would answer the original question.

Edit: I thought I had a counterexample, but it does not quite work. It answers a different (easier?) question. I will make it CommunityWiki, and leave it up in a modified form, just in case it is of some interest, or might help to find a complete answer.

If I am not mistaken, For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups have the property that the lower central series terminate at a perfect subgroup would answer the original question.

Edit: I thought I had an example, but it does not quite work. It answers a different question. I will edit this post a bit, make it Community Wiki, and leave it up just in case it is of some interest, or might help to find a complete answer.

For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups have the property that the lower central series terminate at a perfect subgroup would answer the original question.

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Edit: I thought I had a counterexample, but it does not quite work. It answers a different (easier?) question. I will make it CommunityWiki, and leave it up in a modified form, just in case it is of some interest, or might help to find a complete answer.

If I am not mistaken, For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups are nilpotenthave the property that the lower central series terminate at a perfect subgroup would answer the original question.

Edit: I thought I had a counterexample, but it does not quite work. It answers a different (easier?) question. I will make it CommunityWiki, and leave it up in a modified form, just in case it is of some interest, or might help to find a complete answer.

If I am not mistaken, For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups are nilpotent would answer the original question.

Edit: I thought I had a counterexample, but it does not quite work. It answers a different (easier?) question. I will make it CommunityWiki, and leave it up in a modified form, just in case it is of some interest, or might help to find a complete answer.

If I am not mistaken, For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups have the property that the lower central series terminate at a perfect subgroup would answer the original question.

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Edit: I thought I had a counterexample, but it does not quite work. It answers a different (easier?) question. I will make it CommunityWiki, and leave it up in a modified form, just in case it is of some interest, or might help in the search forto find a complete answer.

If I am not mistaken, For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups are nilpotent would answer the original question.

Edit: I thought I had a counterexample, but it does not quite work. It answers a different (easier?) question. I will make it CommunityWiki, and leave it up in a modified form, just in case it is of some interest, or might help in the search for a complete answer.

If I am not mistaken, For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups are nilpotent would answer the original question.

Edit: I thought I had a counterexample, but it does not quite work. It answers a different (easier?) question. I will make it CommunityWiki, and leave it up in a modified form, just in case it is of some interest, or might help to find a complete answer.

If I am not mistaken, For some finite groups $G$, $BG^+$ is equivalent to the product of the $p$-completions $BG\hat{_p}$. For example, it is true if $G$ is perfect. More generally, it is true if the final term of the lower central series is a perfect subgroup, and the plus construction is taken with respect to this subgroup. So we may consider the related question whether non-isomorphic finite groups can have equivalent $p$-completed classifying spaces for all primes $p$ (in the same spirit as Matthias Wendt's answer).

By a theorem of Oliver, the $p$-completion of $BG$ is determined by the $p$-fusion system of $G$, where the $p$-fusion system of $G$ is the category whose objects are subgroups of a $p$-Sylow subgroup $P$, and where morphisms are all homomorphisms that are induced by conjugation by an element of $G$.

So this question is equivalent to whether there can be non-isomorphic finite groups whose $p$-fusion systems are equivalent for all primes $p$. Such examples are known to exist. I found the following one in a paper of Martino and Priddy (who attribute it to Minami): $Q_{4p}\times {\mathbb Z}/2$ and $D_{2p}\times {\mathbb Z}/4$. Here $Q_{4p}$ is the generalised Quaternion group of order $4p$, where $p$ is an odd prime. The point is that they have isomorphic $p$-Sylow subgroups at all primes, namely ${\mathbb Z}/2\times {\mathbb Z}/4$ and ${\mathbb Z}/p$, and moreover the $p$-fusion systems are equivalent: you get the trivial structure at the prime $2$, and the only non-trivial morphism at $p$ is the inverse homomorphism.

However, these groups are solvable but not nilpotent. So they do not have non-trivial perfect subgroups, and their lower central series do not terminate at the trivial group. So I don't believe their plus constructions are equivalent. Indeed, the plus construction does nothing to these groups. An example where the groups are nilpotent would answer the original question.

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