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What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense, and there seem to be solutions of this type for a variety of potentials, including $-1/r$. Stability against small perturbations means that you have bound states that occupy a region of phase space with nonvanishing volume, which implies nonzero probability.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state for a particular particle falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances. Such evaporation is in fact observed in galaxies and globular clusters, where we see stars shooting off with anomalously high velocities.

So all such systems should be considered innocentguilty until proven guiltyinnocent, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. (Numerical simulation doesn't work, because these systems are normally chaotic.) To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

By the way, physically the "right" way to state the problem in two dimensions is probably to use a $1/r$ force, not a $1/r^2$ force, since we expect Gauss's law to hold for fundamental reasons.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense, and there seem to be solutions of this type for a variety of potentials, including $-1/r$. Stability against small perturbations means that you have bound states that occupy a region of phase space with nonvanishing volume, which implies nonzero probability.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state for a particular particle falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances. Such evaporation is in fact observed in galaxies and globular clusters, where we see stars shooting off with anomalously high velocities.

So all such systems should be considered innocent until proven guilty, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. (Numerical simulation doesn't work, because these systems are normally chaotic.) To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

By the way, physically the "right" way to state the problem in two dimensions is probably to use a $1/r$ force, not a $1/r^2$ force, since we expect Gauss's law to hold for fundamental reasons.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense, and there seem to be solutions of this type for a variety of potentials, including $-1/r$. Stability against small perturbations means that you have bound states that occupy a region of phase space with nonvanishing volume, which implies nonzero probability.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state for a particular particle falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances. Such evaporation is in fact observed in galaxies and globular clusters, where we see stars shooting off with anomalously high velocities.

So all such systems should be considered guilty until proven innocent, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. (Numerical simulation doesn't work, because these systems are normally chaotic.) To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

By the way, physically the "right" way to state the problem in two dimensions is probably to use a $1/r$ force, not a $1/r^2$ force, since we expect Gauss's law to hold for fundamental reasons.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

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What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense, and there seem to be solutions of this type for a variety of potentials, including $-1/r$. Stability against small perturbations means that you have bound states that occupy a region of phase space with nonvanishing volume, which implies nonzero probability.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state for a particular particle falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances. Such evaporation is in fact observed in galaxies and globular clusters, where we see stars shooting off with anomalously high velocities.

So all such systems should be considered innocent until proven guilty, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. (Numerical simulation doesn't work, because these systems are normally chaotic.) To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

By the way, physically the "right" way to state the problem in two dimensions is probably to use a $1/r$ force, not a $1/r^2$ force, since we expect Gauss's law to hold for fundamental reasons.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense, and there seem to be solutions of this type for a variety of potentials, including $-1/r$.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances. Such evaporation is in fact observed in galaxies and globular clusters, where we see stars shooting off with anomalously high velocities.

So all such systems should be considered innocent until proven guilty, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. (Numerical simulation doesn't work, because these systems are normally chaotic.) To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

By the way, physically the "right" way to state the problem in two dimensions is probably to use a $1/r$ force, not a $1/r^2$ force, since we expect Gauss's law to hold for fundamental reasons.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense, and there seem to be solutions of this type for a variety of potentials, including $-1/r$. Stability against small perturbations means that you have bound states that occupy a region of phase space with nonvanishing volume, which implies nonzero probability.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state for a particular particle falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances. Such evaporation is in fact observed in galaxies and globular clusters, where we see stars shooting off with anomalously high velocities.

So all such systems should be considered innocent until proven guilty, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. (Numerical simulation doesn't work, because these systems are normally chaotic.) To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

By the way, physically the "right" way to state the problem in two dimensions is probably to use a $1/r$ force, not a $1/r^2$ force, since we expect Gauss's law to hold for fundamental reasons.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

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What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense, and there seem to be solutions of this type for a variety of potentials, including $-1/r$.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances. Such evaporation is in fact observed in galaxies and globular clusters, where we see stars shooting off with anomalously high velocities.

So all such systems should be considered innocent until proven guilty, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. (Numerical simulation doesn't work, because these systems are normally chaotic.) To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

By the way, physically the "right" way to state the problem in two dimensions is probably to use a $1/r$ force, not a $1/r^2$ force, since we expect Gauss's law to hold for fundamental reasons.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances.

So all such systems should be considered innocent until proven guilty, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

What is the probability that $k \ge 1$ of the $N$ particles remain within a disk of some radius $R \ge 1$ forever?

If the gravitational constant is small enough, then the probability is definitely less than one, since it's easy for one of the particles to be initially headed away from the others at a high enough speed to escape.

For $N\le 3$, the probability appears to be nonzero given a high enough gravitational constant. For $N=1$, the probability is 1. For $N=2$, we have Keplerian orbits. For $N=3$, there are figure-eight configurations known as 3-body choreographies that are believed to be stable in the KAM sense, and there seem to be solutions of this type for a variety of potentials, including $-1/r$.

For $N\ge4$, this appears to be an open problem. In general, we expect such systems to be unbound for thermodynamic reasons. This is because for large $N$ the probability of a given state falls off like $e^{-E/T}$, where $E$ is the kinetic energy and $T$ is the temperature. Since there is no bound on $E$, any system like this is generically expected to evaporate its particles off into the surrounding space. This is really just a phase space argument. There is infinite phase space out there at large distances. Such evaporation is in fact observed in galaxies and globular clusters, where we see stars shooting off with anomalously high velocities.

So all such systems should be considered innocent until proven guilty, i.e., we expect them to be unbound by default unless we have some tricky way of constructing a specific example and proving that it's bound. (Numerical simulation doesn't work, because these systems are normally chaotic.) To prove that the probability of being bound is nonzero, we also need to prove that it remains bound under a small perturbation. For $N\ge 4$, I did not come across any mention of any examples that are known to be stable, but I could certainly be missing relevant work.

By the way, physically the "right" way to state the problem in two dimensions is probably to use a $1/r$ force, not a $1/r^2$ force, since we expect Gauss's law to hold for fundamental reasons.

Gerhard Paseman says:

I bet cosmologists thought about this problem in considering origins of the universe.

This would be more about the far future than the distant past. The relevant tool is general relativity, not Newtonian mechanics. The thermodynamic equilibrium state of a gravitationally interacting system according to classical GR is basically a black hole, although it can be more complicated than that depending on the large-scale geometry and topology. You don't get stable orbiting states with a purely gravitational interaction, because gravitational radiation sucks energy away.

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