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Mar 31, 2017 at 14:55 comment added Noam D. Elkies "Other case" = Legendre symbol $-1$? Yes, that's what the 2-descent should give in that case. (For curves like 17B, 2-descent is basically elementary: it's the technique introduced by Fermat for $y^2 = x^3-x$. It doesn't always show the rank is zero, but in simple cases that often happens.)
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Mar 31, 2017 at 4:26 comment added Kimball @NoamD.Elkies I haven't thought about a Heegner point construction for this example, so I'm not sure if one can avoid BSD for that or not. But I suppose one still needs to use nonvanishing of an $L$-value to get finiteness of $E(\mathbb Q)$ (i.e., a known case of BSD) for the other direction, yes? Or is there an easy way to get finiteness for such curves? (I don't work on elliptic curves.)
Mar 31, 2017 at 3:37 comment added Noam D. Elkies Does this last "(example)", and others like it, actually require BSD? Presumably the primality condition forces the rank to be at most $1$ by $2$-descent (such a curve, e.g. 17B: $y^2 = x(x+1)(x-16)$, has at least one rational $2$-torsion point), and then the Legendre symbol makes the rank conjecturally odd; but at least for the "congruent number" curve $y^2 = x^3 - x$ one can prove directly that the Heegner-point construction yields a point of infinite order on the relevant quadratic twist when the discriminant is prime, and the same could be true here too.
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