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What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem

$n$ vectors in $K^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $K$

for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ by its counting proof.

Let me give here the proofs for finite $K$ and for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ explicitelyexplicitly. Let $v_1,\dots,v_n$ be vectors in $K^{n-1}$m, we need to find their linear dependence.

  1. $K$ is finite, $|K|=q$. There exist $q^n$ linear combinations of $v_1,\dots,v_n$, which take only $q^{n-1}$ values. Two of them are equal by pigeonhole principle, that's what we need.

  2. The same trick works for $\mathbb{Q}$, it essentially what is essentially noted by Sundar Vishwanathan. Choose at first a positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by the pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients, as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in oddtownthe Oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

Say, the counting proof of Oddtown sounds as this:

Let $\mathcal{F}$ be a collection of subsets of $\{1,\dots,n\}$, $|{\mathcal F}|\geqslant n+1$. We consider all $2^{n+1}$ subcollections of ${\mathcal F}$. For each such subcollection $A$ consider the symmetric difference of $A$ (that is, the set of $x\in \{1,\dots,n\}$, which belong to odd number of sets from $A$.) Some two symmetric differences, say of $A$ and $B$ coincide by pigeonhole principle. Hence the symmetric difference of $C:=A\Delta B$ is empty set, i.e. each $x$ belong to even number of sets from $C$. Now let $C=\{U_1,\dots,U_k\}$. Then we use double counting: $$ \sum_{i=2}^k |U_i\cap U_1|=\sum_{x\in U_1}\sum_{i=2}^k \chi_{U_i}(x)\equiv |U_1| \pmod 2, $$ hence if $|U_1|$ is odd, at least one intersection $|U_i\cap U_1|$ has also odd size.

It is the usual proof with counting argument of linear dependence incorporated.

What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem

$n$ vectors in $K^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $K$

for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ by its counting proof.

Let me give here the proofs for finite $K$ and for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ explicitely. Let $v_1,\dots,v_n$ be vectors in $K^{n-1}$m we need to find their linear dependence.

  1. $K$ is finite, $|K|=q$. There exist $q^n$ linear combinations of $v_1,\dots,v_n$, which take only $q^{n-1}$ values. Two of them are equal by pigeonhole principle, that's what we need.

  2. The same trick works for $\mathbb{Q}$, it essentially what is noted by Sundar Vishwanathan. Choose at first positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients, as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

Say, the counting proof of Oddtown sounds as this:

Let $\mathcal{F}$ be a collection of subsets of $\{1,\dots,n\}$, $|{\mathcal F}|\geqslant n+1$. We consider all $2^{n+1}$ subcollections of ${\mathcal F}$. For each such subcollection $A$ consider the symmetric difference of $A$ (that is, the set of $x\in \{1,\dots,n\}$, which belong to odd number of sets from $A$.) Some two symmetric differences, say of $A$ and $B$ coincide by pigeonhole principle. Hence the symmetric difference of $C:=A\Delta B$ is empty set, i.e. each $x$ belong to even number of sets from $C$. Now let $C=\{U_1,\dots,U_k\}$. Then we use double counting: $$ \sum_{i=2}^k |U_i\cap U_1|=\sum_{x\in U_1}\sum_{i=2}^k \chi_{U_i}(x)\equiv |U_1| \pmod 2, $$ hence if $|U_1|$ is odd, at least one intersection $|U_i\cap U_1|$ has also odd size.

It is the usual proof with counting argument of linear dependence incorporated.

What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem

$n$ vectors in $K^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $K$

for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ by its counting proof.

Let me give here the proofs for finite $K$ and for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ explicitly. Let $v_1,\dots,v_n$ be vectors in $K^{n-1}$, we need to find their linear dependence.

  1. $K$ is finite, $|K|=q$. There exist $q^n$ linear combinations of $v_1,\dots,v_n$, which take only $q^{n-1}$ values. Two of them are equal by pigeonhole principle, that's what we need.

  2. The same trick works for $\mathbb{Q}$, it is essentially noted by Sundar Vishwanathan. Choose at first a positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by the pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients, as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in the Oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

Say, the counting proof of Oddtown sounds as this:

Let $\mathcal{F}$ be a collection of subsets of $\{1,\dots,n\}$, $|{\mathcal F}|\geqslant n+1$. We consider all $2^{n+1}$ subcollections of ${\mathcal F}$. For each such subcollection $A$ consider the symmetric difference of $A$ (that is, the set of $x\in \{1,\dots,n\}$, which belong to odd number of sets from $A$.) Some two symmetric differences, say of $A$ and $B$ coincide by pigeonhole principle. Hence the symmetric difference of $C:=A\Delta B$ is empty set, i.e. each $x$ belong to even number of sets from $C$. Now let $C=\{U_1,\dots,U_k\}$. Then we use double counting: $$ \sum_{i=2}^k |U_i\cap U_1|=\sum_{x\in U_1}\sum_{i=2}^k \chi_{U_i}(x)\equiv |U_1| \pmod 2, $$ hence if $|U_1|$ is odd, at least one intersection $|U_i\cap U_1|$ has also odd size.

It is the usual proof with counting argument of linear dependence incorporated.

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What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem

$n$ vectors in $K^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $K$

for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ by its counting proof.

Let me give here the proofs for finite $K$ and for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ explicitely. Let $v_1,\dots,v_n$ be vectors in $K^{n-1}$m we need to find their linear dependence.

  1. $K$ is finite, $|K|=q$. There exist $q^n$ linear combinations of $v_1,\dots,v_n$, which take only $q^{n-1}$ values. Two of them are equal by pigeonhole principle, that's what we need.

  2. The same trick works for $\mathbb{Q}$, it essentially what is noted by Sundar Vishwanathan. Choose at first positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients, as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

Say, the counting proof of Oddtown sounds as this:

Let $\mathcal{F}$ be a collection of subsets of $\{1,\dots,n\}$, $|{\mathcal F}|\geqslant n+1$. We consider all $2^{n+1}$ subcollections of ${\mathcal F}$. For each such subcollection $A$ consider the symmetric difference of $A$ (that is, the set of $x\in \{1,\dots,n\}$, which belong to odd number of sets from $A$.) Some two symmetric differences, say of $A$ and $B$ coincide by pigeonhole principle. Hence the symmetric difference of $C:=A\Delta B$ is empty set, i.e. each $x$ belong to even number of sets from $C$. Now let $C=\{U_1,\dots,U_k\}$. Then we use double counting: $$ \sum_{i=2}^k |U_i\cap U_1|=\sum_{x\in U_1}\sum_{i=2}^k \chi_{U_i}(x)\equiv |U_1| \pmod 2, $$ hence if $|U_1|$ is odd, at least one intersection $|U_i\cap U_1|$ has also odd size.

It is the usual proof with counting argument of linear dependence incorporated.

What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem

$n$ vectors in $K^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $K$

for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ by its counting proof.

Let me give here the proofs for finite $K$ and for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ explicitely. Let $v_1,\dots,v_n$ be vectors in $K^{n-1}$m we need to find their linear dependence.

  1. $K$ is finite, $|K|=q$. There exist $q^n$ linear combinations of $v_1,\dots,v_n$, which take only $q^{n-1}$ values. Two of them are equal by pigeonhole principle, that's what we need.

  2. The same trick works for $\mathbb{Q}$, it essentially what is noted by Sundar Vishwanathan. Choose at first positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients, as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem

$n$ vectors in $K^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $K$

for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ by its counting proof.

Let me give here the proofs for finite $K$ and for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ explicitely. Let $v_1,\dots,v_n$ be vectors in $K^{n-1}$m we need to find their linear dependence.

  1. $K$ is finite, $|K|=q$. There exist $q^n$ linear combinations of $v_1,\dots,v_n$, which take only $q^{n-1}$ values. Two of them are equal by pigeonhole principle, that's what we need.

  2. The same trick works for $\mathbb{Q}$, it essentially what is noted by Sundar Vishwanathan. Choose at first positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients, as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

Say, the counting proof of Oddtown sounds as this:

Let $\mathcal{F}$ be a collection of subsets of $\{1,\dots,n\}$, $|{\mathcal F}|\geqslant n+1$. We consider all $2^{n+1}$ subcollections of ${\mathcal F}$. For each such subcollection $A$ consider the symmetric difference of $A$ (that is, the set of $x\in \{1,\dots,n\}$, which belong to odd number of sets from $A$.) Some two symmetric differences, say of $A$ and $B$ coincide by pigeonhole principle. Hence the symmetric difference of $C:=A\Delta B$ is empty set, i.e. each $x$ belong to even number of sets from $C$. Now let $C=\{U_1,\dots,U_k\}$. Then we use double counting: $$ \sum_{i=2}^k |U_i\cap U_1|=\sum_{x\in U_1}\sum_{i=2}^k \chi_{U_i}(x)\equiv |U_1| \pmod 2, $$ hence if $|U_1|$ is odd, at least one intersection $|U_i\cap U_1|$ has also odd size.

It is the usual proof with counting argument of linear dependence incorporated.

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What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem "$n$ vectors in $\mathbb{Q}^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over

$n$ vectors in $K^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $K$

for $\mathbb{Q}$"$K=\mathbb{Q}$ by its counting proof.

Let me give here this proofthe proofs for finite $K$ and for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ explicitely: if. Let $v_1,\dots,v_n$ arebe vectors in $\mathbb{Q}^{n-1}$, choose at first positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong$K^{n-1}$m we need to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by pigeonhole principle there are two equal values offind their linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients as desireddependence.

  1. $K$ is finite, $|K|=q$. There exist $q^n$ linear combinations of $v_1,\dots,v_n$, which take only $q^{n-1}$ values. Two of them are equal by pigeonhole principle, that's what we need.

  2. The same trick works for $\mathbb{Q}$, it essentially what is noted by Sundar Vishwanathan. Choose at first positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients, as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem "$n$ vectors in $\mathbb{Q}^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $\mathbb{Q}$" by its counting proof.

Let me give here this proof explicitely: if $v_1,\dots,v_n$ are vectors in $\mathbb{Q}^{n-1}$, choose at first positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

What essentially happens in this proof? We repeat the usual proof, but replace the fundamental linear algebraic theorem

$n$ vectors in $K^{n-1}$ are linearly dependent over $K$

for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ by its counting proof.

Let me give here the proofs for finite $K$ and for $K=\mathbb{Q}$ explicitely. Let $v_1,\dots,v_n$ be vectors in $K^{n-1}$m we need to find their linear dependence.

  1. $K$ is finite, $|K|=q$. There exist $q^n$ linear combinations of $v_1,\dots,v_n$, which take only $q^{n-1}$ values. Two of them are equal by pigeonhole principle, that's what we need.

  2. The same trick works for $\mathbb{Q}$, it essentially what is noted by Sundar Vishwanathan. Choose at first positive integer $N$ such that $u_i:=Nv_i\in \mathbb{Z}^{n-1}$. Then denote by $M$ the maximum of absolute values of coordinates of $u_1,\dots,u_{n}$. Consider all $(K+1)^n$ linear combinations $c_1u_1+\dots+c_n u_n$, where $c_i\in \{0,1,\dots,K\}$. They belong to the set $\{-nMK,-nMK+1,\dots,nMK-1,nMK\}^{n-1}$. So, if $(2nMK+1)^{n-1}<(K+1)^n$ (true for large $K$), by pigeonhole principle there are two equal values of linear combinations, hence $u_1,\dots,u_n$ are linearly dependent with integer coefficients, as desired.

Applications of linear algebra in combinatorics often use this fundamental theorem either over finite fields, like in oddtown theorem (where the same counting argument works even easier) or over $\mathbb{Q}$. I think, we really need $\mathbb{R}$ or $\mathbb{C}$ only when we come to eigenvalues.

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