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FINAL EDIT (912/57/1516)

  1. By combining my answerI've found elementary but apparently mysterious answers to the initial recursion with the results of my arXiv note 1508.07523 I can show the following: Let K consist of those modfirst 2 modular forms of level Gamma_0 (3) that are killed by the maps f-->U_2(f) and fquestions-->f+U_3(f). When one completes the shallow Hecke algebra acting on K at the maximal ideal generated by the T_p with p> 3, one gets a power series ring in T_7 and T_13.

  2. My answer to the variation on a theme question should lead to a similar result in level Gamma_0 (5), but I'd first need level 5 analogs to the results of the arXiv note, and this may not be entirely straightforward.

  3. Despite the lack of response tosee my answers (I don't think I'd have found the2 answers if I hadn't posted the questions here) I find them elegant. Since no elementary answers have been foundThe arguments are similar, and in view of 1. , I'll randomly accept my firstthe level 3 answer.

  4. I think I can answer the characteristic 3 questions too. But to avoid accusations of self-abuse I'll refrain. And though I find the question on Jordan blocks very interesting (and similar questions attached to the other recursions should also be interesting), the thread has become long and so I've deleted that question.

FINAL EDIT (9/5/15)

  1. By combining my answer to the initial recursion with the results of my arXiv note 1508.07523 I can show the following: Let K consist of those mod 2 modular forms of level Gamma_0 (3) that are killed by the maps f-->U_2(f) and f-->f+U_3(f). When one completes the shallow Hecke algebra acting on K at the maximal ideal generated by the T_p with p> 3, one gets a power series ring in T_7 and T_13.

  2. My answer to the variation on a theme question should lead to a similar result in level Gamma_0 (5), but I'd first need level 5 analogs to the results of the arXiv note, and this may not be entirely straightforward.

  3. Despite the lack of response to my answers (I don't think I'd have found the answers if I hadn't posted the questions here) I find them elegant. Since no elementary answers have been found, and in view of 1. , I'll accept my first.

  4. I think I can answer the characteristic 3 questions too. But to avoid accusations of self-abuse I'll refrain. And though I find the question on Jordan blocks very interesting (and similar questions attached to the other recursions should also be interesting), the thread has become long and so I've deleted that question.

FINAL EDIT (12/7/16)

  1. I've found elementary but apparently mysterious answers to the first 2 questions--see my 2 answers. The arguments are similar, and I'll randomly accept the level 3 answer.

  2. I think I can answer the characteristic 3 questions too. But to avoid accusations of self-abuse I'll refrain. And though I find the question on Jordan blocks very interesting (and similar questions attached to the other recursions should also be interesting), the thread has become long and so I've deleted that question.

Gave an application of my first answer, deleted one of the further questions and added a tag.Corrected a typo.
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FINAL EDIT-- I have further questions related to the initial recursion:

Let T: Z/2[x]-->Z/2[x] be the Z/2-linear map taking x^n to the c(n) of my initial recursion. T is degree lowering; in particular if q is a power of 2, T acts nilpotently on the space V(q) of polynomials of degree less than or equal to (q^2+2)9/3, and its matrix decomposes into Jordan blocks. When q is at most 16, it appears that the largest block has size q+1.

Question: Is this true for all q?5/15)

  1. Note that ifBy combining my answer to the initial conjecture holds, then (when q>1)recursion with the numberresults of Jordan blocks is (q^2+8)/12my arXiv note 1508. It would interest me to know what07523 I can show the sizesfollowing: Let K consist of all these Jordan blocksthose mod 2 modular forms of level Gamma_0 (3) that are killed by the maps f--does>U_2(f) and f-->f+U_3(f). When one completes the computer giveshallow Hecke algebra acting on K at the maximal ideal generated by the T_p with p> 3, one gets a plausible suggestion?power series ring in T_7 and T_13.

  2. The map T can be interpreted as U_3+I acting onMy answer to the space of odd mod 2 modular forms ofvariation on a theme question should lead to a similar result in level Gamma_0 (35), sobut I'd first need level 5 analogs to the underlying question concerns the nilpotence orderresults of such forms under the actionarXiv note, and this may not be entirely straightforward.

  3. Despite the lack of U_3+Iresponse to my answers (I don't think I'd have found the answers if I hadn't posted the questions here) I find them elegant. This isSince no elementary answers have been found, and in view of 1. , I'll accept my first.

  4. I think I can answer the basic motivationcharacteristic 3 questions too. But to avoid accusations of self-abuse I'll refrain. And though I find the question on Jordan blocks very interesting (and similar questions attached to the other recursions should also be interesting), the thread has become long and so I've deleted that question.

EDIT-- I have further questions related to the initial recursion:

Let T: Z/2[x]-->Z/2[x] be the Z/2-linear map taking x^n to the c(n) of my initial recursion. T is degree lowering; in particular if q is a power of 2, T acts nilpotently on the space V(q) of polynomials of degree less than or equal to (q^2+2)/3, and its matrix decomposes into Jordan blocks. When q is at most 16, it appears that the largest block has size q+1.

Question: Is this true for all q?

  1. Note that if my initial conjecture holds, then (when q>1) the number of Jordan blocks is (q^2+8)/12. It would interest me to know what the sizes of all these Jordan blocks are--does the computer give a plausible suggestion?

  2. The map T can be interpreted as U_3+I acting on the space of odd mod 2 modular forms of level Gamma_0 (3), so the underlying question concerns the nilpotence order of such forms under the action of U_3+I. This is the basic motivation.

FINAL EDIT (9/5/15)

  1. By combining my answer to the initial recursion with the results of my arXiv note 1508.07523 I can show the following: Let K consist of those mod 2 modular forms of level Gamma_0 (3) that are killed by the maps f-->U_2(f) and f-->f+U_3(f). When one completes the shallow Hecke algebra acting on K at the maximal ideal generated by the T_p with p> 3, one gets a power series ring in T_7 and T_13.

  2. My answer to the variation on a theme question should lead to a similar result in level Gamma_0 (5), but I'd first need level 5 analogs to the results of the arXiv note, and this may not be entirely straightforward.

  3. Despite the lack of response to my answers (I don't think I'd have found the answers if I hadn't posted the questions here) I find them elegant. Since no elementary answers have been found, and in view of 1. , I'll accept my first.

  4. I think I can answer the characteristic 3 questions too. But to avoid accusations of self-abuse I'll refrain. And though I find the question on Jordan blocks very interesting (and similar questions attached to the other recursions should also be interesting), the thread has become long and so I've deleted that question.

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EDIT-- I have further questions related to the initial recursion:

Let T: Z/2[x]-->Z/2[x] be the Z/2-linear map taking x^n to the c(n) of my initial recursion. T is degree lowering; in particular if q is a power of 2, T acts nilpotently on the space V(q) of polynomials of degree less than or equal to (q^2+2)/3, and its matrix decomposes into Jordan blocks. When q is at most 16, it appears that the largest block has size q+1.

Question: Is this true for all q?

  1. Note that if my initial conjecture holds, then (when q>1) the number of Jordan blocks is (q^2+8)/12. It would interest me to know what the sizes of all these Jordan blocks are--does the computer give a plausible suggestion?

  2. The map T can be interpreted as U_3+I acting on the space of odd mod 2 modular forms of level Gamma_0 (3), so the underlying question concerns the nilpotence order of such forms under the action of U_3+I. This is the basic motivation.

EDIT-- I have further questions related to the initial recursion:

Let T: Z/2[x]-->Z/2[x] be the Z/2-linear map taking x^n to the c(n) of my initial recursion. T is degree lowering; in particular if q is a power of 2, T acts nilpotently on the space V(q) of polynomials of degree less than or equal to (q^2+2)/3, and its matrix decomposes into Jordan blocks. When q is at most 16, it appears that the largest block has size q+1.

Question: Is this true for all q?

  1. Note that if my initial conjecture holds, then (when q>1) the number of Jordan blocks is (q^2+8)/12. It would interest me to know what the sizes of all these Jordan blocks are--does the computer give a plausible suggestion?

  2. The map T can be interpreted as U_3+I acting on the space of odd mod 2 modular forms of level Gamma_0 (3), so the underlying question concerns the nilpotence order of such forms under the action of U_3+I. This is the basic motivation.

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