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Apr 23, 2015 at 11:15 | comment | added | Joel David Hamkins | @MihaHabič Great idea! But we should take an elementary substructure in a much larger $L_\theta$, since the $s_n$ are not necessarily in $L_{\delta^+}$. The point should be that by condensation, it collapses down into $L_{\delta^+}$, and gives a counterexample to well-foundedness there, which is a contradiction. | |
Apr 23, 2015 at 3:12 | comment | added | Miha Habič | Very nice. In the $(1\to 2)$ direction of the proof you could avoid the appeal to Jensen covering by collapsing an elementary substructure of $L_{\delta^+}$ containing $\kappa$ and the $s_n$ to get an ill-foundedness already in the ultrapower of $L_{\delta^+}$. | |
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Apr 23, 2015 at 3:00 | comment | added | Joel David Hamkins | @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I added a link in the post to zero sharp on Wikipedia. It is a large cardinal axiom that is equivalent to the existence of a nontrivial elementary embedding $j:L\to L$, but also has a characterization in terms of the existence of robust order-indiscernibles for the constructible universe. | |
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Apr 23, 2015 at 2:55 | comment | added | Mariano Suárez-Álvarez | What is $0^\sharp$? :-| | |
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Apr 22, 2015 at 18:37 | history | answered | Joel David Hamkins | CC BY-SA 3.0 |