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Feb 17, 2015 at 7:23 vote accept Monroe Eskew
Feb 17, 2015 at 6:47 answer added Mohammad Golshani timeline score: 4
Feb 17, 2015 at 5:34 comment added Asaf Karagila @Mohammad: Thanks. I'll look at it when I'm at the university later today.
Feb 17, 2015 at 5:25 comment added Mohammad Golshani @AsafKaragila No, it is removed there, but you can see it in Shelah's book "Cardinal arithemtic", page 304 (again Lemma 4.9!!)
Feb 17, 2015 at 5:20 comment added Asaf Karagila @Mohammad: Does this theorem appear in Proper and Improper Forcing somewhere as well?
Feb 17, 2015 at 5:18 comment added Monroe Eskew Simply because $\eta^+$ is the critical point of the generic embedding, so the ultrapower thinks that $\eta^+$ is an ordinal of cardinality $\eta$. In the non-precipitous case we use the fact that the generic ultrapower is well-founded at least up to $\eta^{++}$ (using canonical functions).
Feb 17, 2015 at 5:16 comment added Mohammad Golshani Maybe a simple question in your argument. In your argument for applying Shelah's result, you seem use $\eta^{++}$ is collapsed into $\eta.$ Why this is true? in other words why $\eta^+$ is also collapsed?
Feb 17, 2015 at 4:31 comment added Monroe Eskew Yes, I am using this theorem in my corollary, but I don't see how it implies the claim.
Feb 17, 2015 at 4:28 comment added Mohammad Golshani By Lemma 4.9 page 440 of Shelah's book ``proper forcing'', we must have in the generic extension, $cf(\lambda^+)=cf(|\lambda^+|)$.
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