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Apr 24, 2014 at 21:03 comment added Bjørn Kjos-Hanssen @JoelDavidHamkins Yes, come to think of it, I don't actually have any intuition that such a thing should exist.
Apr 24, 2014 at 20:57 comment added Joel David Hamkins I think it is a very interesting question: does every model of ZFC have a definable rigid relation on all of $V$ from which $\in$ is not definable?
Apr 24, 2014 at 20:42 comment added Bjørn Kjos-Hanssen @JoelDavidHamkins I felt that platonically the idea should apply to every model of set theory, but I wouldn't know how to prove it.
Apr 24, 2014 at 19:56 comment added Joel David Hamkins Bjorn, in the last sentence are you saying that your idea does extend to every model of set theory? If so, could you explain a bit more, since I don't quite see what you have in mind. I use V=HOD in my argument to construct rigid class structures on V, and I'm not sure otherwise how one might do it.
Apr 24, 2014 at 18:19 history answered Bjørn Kjos-Hanssen CC BY-SA 3.0