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What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence A073121: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in size of the smallest group not satisfying an identitysize of the smallest group not satisfying an identity.

What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence A073121: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in size of the smallest group not satisfying an identity.

What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence A073121: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in size of the smallest group not satisfying an identity.

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What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence A073121A073121: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in size of the smallest group not satisfying an identity.

What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence A073121: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in size of the smallest group not satisfying an identity.

What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence A073121: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in size of the smallest group not satisfying an identity.

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What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence link textA073121: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in link textsize of the smallest group not satisfying an identity.

What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence link text: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in link text.

What is the length $f(n)$ of the shortest nontrivial group word $w_n$ in $x_1,\ldots,x_n$ that collapses to $1$ when we substitute $x_i=1$ for any $i$?

For example, $f(2)=4$, with the commutator $[x_1,x_2]=x_1 x_2 x_1^{-1} x_2^{-1}$ attaining the bound.

For any $m,n \ge 1$, the construction $w_{m+n}(\vec{x},\vec{y}):=[w_m(\vec{x}),w_n(\vec{y})]$ shows that $f(m+n) \le 2 f(m) + 2 f(n)$.

Is $f(1),f(2),\ldots$ the same as sequence A073121: $$ 1,4,10,16,28,40,52,64,88,112,136,\ldots ?$$

Motivation: Beating the iterated commutator construction would improve the best known bounds in size of the smallest group not satisfying an identity.

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