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Dec 4, 2013 at 15:55 | comment | added | Joel David Hamkins | Your question seems to be a moving target. If the definition of $X$ has parameters, it doesn't make sense to use the same definition in $\mathcal{N}$, unless those parameters are also there. And if you don't say something about how the theory of $\mathcal{M}$ and $\mathcal{N}$ are related, then basically anything can happen, since the definition might be: If CH holds, then one thing, but otherwise something else. In this case, $\mathcal{M}$ and $\mathcal{N}$ can think totally different things about $X$. | |
Dec 4, 2013 at 15:51 | comment | added | user38200 | I mean that $X$ is definable from ordinals and reals in $\mathcal{M}$, and that a $X$ is definable in $\mathcal{N}$ (where $V=HOD$ in $\mathcal{N}$) by the same formula. And $X$ is nonempty in both models | |
Dec 4, 2013 at 15:46 | comment | added | Joel David Hamkins | I don't understand your question. What do you mean by "$X$ is nonempty in HOD"? And what do you mean when you say that $\mathcal{M}$ is another model of set theory? Are you referring to the HOD of $\mathcal{M}$? And $x\in\mathcal{M}$? | |
Dec 4, 2013 at 15:43 | comment | added | user38200 | If we know that $X$ is nonempty in HOD ($X$ infinite), and ask if the type of nondefinable elements of $X$ over the theory of $\mathcal{M}$ (where $\mathcal{M}$ is another model of set theory) is principal, do we have an answer? | |
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Dec 4, 2013 at 13:28 | history | answered | Joel David Hamkins | CC BY-SA 3.0 |