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Dima Pasechnik
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For small $n$ your construction is not optimal (e.g. for $n=6$ there is a group of size 120, isomorphic to $S_5$; $M_{12}$) is an example for $n=12$, the biggest exceptional $n$, it seems).

But for sufficiently large $n$, your construction looks optimalis almost optimal; you can still add an extra 2 to the order of your group. Namely, add the permutation $(1,n/2+1)(2,n/2+2)\dots (n/2,n)$. A way to prove that this becomes optimal (for sufficiently large $n$) might go as follows:

  • prove that this is the best possible with intransitive groups
  • same for imprimitive groups
  • for primitive groups, invoke O'Nan-Scott theorem (eventually, the classification of finite simple groups).

Perhaps there is a better way to deal with the last step, I don't know.

For small $n$ your construction is not optimal (e.g. for $n=6$ there is a group of size 120, isomorphic to $S_5$; $M_{12}$) is an example for $n=12$, the biggest exceptional $n$, it seems).

But for sufficiently large $n$, your construction looks optimal. A way to prove this might go as follows:

  • prove that this is the best possible with intransitive groups
  • same for imprimitive groups
  • for primitive groups, invoke O'Nan-Scott theorem (eventually, the classification of finite simple groups).

Perhaps there is a better way to deal with the last step, I don't know.

For small $n$ your construction is not optimal (e.g. for $n=6$ there is a group of size 120, isomorphic to $S_5$; $M_{12}$) is an example for $n=12$, the biggest exceptional $n$, it seems).

But for sufficiently large $n$, your construction is almost optimal; you can still add an extra 2 to the order of your group. Namely, add the permutation $(1,n/2+1)(2,n/2+2)\dots (n/2,n)$. A way to prove that this becomes optimal (for sufficiently large $n$) might go as follows:

  • prove that this is the best possible with intransitive groups
  • same for imprimitive groups
  • for primitive groups, invoke O'Nan-Scott theorem (eventually, the classification of finite simple groups).

Perhaps there is a better way to deal with the last step, I don't know.

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Dima Pasechnik
  • 14k
  • 2
  • 34
  • 70

For small $n$ your construction is not optimal (e.g. for $n=6$ there is a group of size 120, isomorphic to $S_5$; $M_{12}$) is an example for $n=12$, the biggest exceptional $n$, it seems).

But for sufficiently large $n$, your construction looks optimal. A way to prove this might go as follows:

  • prove that this is the best possible with intransitive groups
  • same for imprimitive groups
  • for primitive groups, invoke O'Nan-Scott theorem (eventually, the classification of finite simple groups).

Perhaps there is a better way to deal with the last step, I don't know.