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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $g^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $(p^r-p^{r-1})^{-1}\sum_{I} |O_I|$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the order of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. As pointed out by David Speyer in the comments to an earlier version of this answer, $I$ is uniquely determined by these conditions. So a final form of the answer is obtained by explaining how to obtain $I$ from $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
By the characterization of order ideals in $P_\lambda$, we have that $v_i\leq v_{i-1}\leq v_i+(\lambda_{i-1}-\lambda_i)$.
Proposition. Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be an order ideal. Let $\mu$ be the type of the group obtained by going modulo an element of $O_I$. Then
$\mu_l=v_l$
$\mu_{l-1}=\lambda_l+v_{l-1}-v_l$
$\mu_{l-2}=\lambda_{l-1}+v_{l-2}-v_{n-1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_{i}=\lambda_{i+1}+v_i-v_{i+1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_1=\lambda_2+v_1-v_2$.
Proof.
The gcd of $i\times i$ minors of the above matrix can be seen to be $v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$ v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i+2}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$ (using the inequalities on $v_i$). Therefore, we get
$\mu_{l-i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l=v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$, \mu_{l-i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l=v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i+2}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$, from which the above identities follow.QED.
This allows us to recover $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$ once we know $\lambda$ and $\mu$, where (this also follows from the above proposition), $\mu$ is a partition obtained from $\lambda$ by removing a horizontal strip of length $r$. In particular, $v$ is uniquely determined by $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
We get
$v_l=\mu_l$, and $v_i=\mu_i-[(\lambda_{i+1}+\dotsb+\lambda_l)-(\mu_{i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l)]$ for $i<l$.
Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be the order ideal defined by $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$. We get
$g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}(p)=|O_I|/(p^r-p^{r-1})$.
It easily follows (from the formula for $|O_I|$ in our paper, which says that $|O_I|$ is a monic polynomial in $p$ of degree $\sum_i (\lambda_i-\nu_i)$) that $g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}(p)$ is monic in $p$ of degree $n(\lambda)-n(\mu)$. This could perhaps give another approach to Hall's theorem (in analogy with the proof that MacDonald gave).
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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $g^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $(p^r-p^{r-1})^{-1}\sum_{I} |O_I|$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the order of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. As pointed out by David Speyer in the comments to an earlier version of this answer, $I$ is uniquely determined by these conditions. So a final form of the answer is obtained by explaining how to obtain $I$ from $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
By the characterization of order ideals in $P_\lambda$, we have that $v_i\leq v_{i-1}\leq v_i+(\lambda_{i-1}-\lambda_i)$.
Proposition. Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be an order ideal. Let $\mu$ be the type of the group obtained by going modulo an element of $O_I$. Then
$\mu_l=v_l$
$\mu_{l-1}=\lambda_l+v_{l-1}-v_l$
$\mu_{l-2}=\lambda_{l-1}+v_{l-2}-v_{n-1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_{i}=\lambda_{i+1}+v_i-v_{i+1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_1=\lambda_2+v_1-v_2$.
Proof.
The gcd of $i\times i$ minors of the above matrix can be seen to be $v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$ (using the inequalities on $v_i$). Therefore, we get
$\mu_{l-i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l=v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$, from which the above identities follow.QED.
This allows us to recover $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$ once we know $\lambda$ and $\mu$, where (this also follows from the above proposition), $\mu$ is a partition obtained from $\lambda$ by removing a horizontal strip of length $r$. In particular, $v$ is uniquely determined by $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
We get
$v_l=\mu_l$, and $v_i=\mu_i-[(\lambda_{i+1}+\dotsb+\lambda_l)-(\mu_{i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l)]$ for $i<l$.
Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be the order ideal defined by $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$. We get
$g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}(p)=|O_I|/(p^r-p^{r-1})$.
It easily follows (from the formula for $|O_I|$ in our paper, which says that $|O_I|$ is a monic polynomial in $p$ of degree $\sum_i (\lambda_i-\nu_i)$) that $g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}(p)$ is monic in $p$ of degree $n(\lambda)-n(\mu)$. This could perhaps give another approach to Hall's theorem (in analogy with the proof that MacDonald gave).
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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $g^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $(p^r-p^{r-1})^{-1}\sum_{I} |O_I|$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the order of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. As pointed out by David Speyer in the comments to an earlier version of this answer, $I$ is uniquely determined by these conditions. So a final form of the answer is obtained by explaining how to obtain $I$ from $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
By the characterization of order ideals in $P_\lambda$, we have that $v_i\leq v_{i-1}\leq v_i+(\lambda_{i-1}-\lambda_i)$.
Proposition. Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be an order ideal. Let $\mu$ be the type of the group obtained by going modulo an element of $O_I$. Then
$\mu_l=v_l$
$\mu_{l-1}=\lambda_l+v_{l-1}-v_l$
$\mu_{l-2}=\lambda_{l-1}+v_{l-2}-v_{n-1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_{i}=\lambda_{i+1}+v_i-v_{i+1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_1=\lambda_2+v_1-v_2$.
Proof.
The gcd of $i\times i$ minors of the above matrix can be seen to be $v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$ (using the inequalities on $v_i$). Therefore, we get
$\mu_{l-i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l=v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$, from which the above identities follow.QED.
This allows us to recover $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$ once we know $\lambda$ and $\mu$, where (this also follows from the above proposition), $\mu$ is a partition obtained from $\lambda$ by removing a horizontal strip of length $r$. In particular, $v$ is uniquely determined by $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
We get
$v_l=\mu_l$, and $v_i=\mu_i-[(\lambda_{i+1}+\dotsb+\lambda_l)-(\mu_{i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l)]$ for $i<l$.
Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be the order ideal defined by $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$. We get
$g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}(p)=|O_I|/(p^r-p^{r-1})$.
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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $g^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $(p^r-p^{r-1})^{-1}\sum_{I} |O_I|$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the order of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. As pointed out by David Speyer in the comments to an earlier version of this answer, $I$ is uniquely determined by these conditions. So a final form of the answer is obtained by explaining how to obtain $I$ from $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
By the characterization of order ideals in $P_\lambda$, we have that $v_i\leq v_{i-1}\leq v_i+(\lambda_{i-1}-\lambda_i)$.
Proposition. Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be an order ideal. Let $\mu$ be the type of the group obtained by going modulo an element of $O_I$. Then
$\mu_l=v_l$
$\mu_{l-1}=\lambda_l+v_{l-1}-v_l$
$\mu_{l-2}=\lambda_{l-1}+v_{l-2}-v_{n-1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_{i}=\lambda_{i+1}+v_i-v_{i+1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_1=\lambda_2+v_1-v_2$.
Proof.
The gcd of $i\times i$ minors of the above matrix can be seen to be $v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$ (using the inequalities on $v_i$). Therefore, we get
$\mu_{l-i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l=v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$, from which the above identities follow.QED.
This allows us to recover $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$ once we know $\lambda$ and $\mu$, where (this also follows from the above proposition), $\mu$ is a partition obtained from $\lambda$ by removing a horizontal strip of length $r$. In particular, $v$ is uniquely determined by $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
We get
$v_l=\mu_l$, and $v_i=\mu_i-[(\lambda_{i+1}+\dotsb+\lambda_l)-(\mu_{i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l)]$ for $i
Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be the order ideal defined by $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$. We get
$g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}=|O_I|/(p^r-p^{r-1})$.g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}(p)=|O_I|/(p^r-p^{r-1})$.
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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $g^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $(p^r-p^{r-1})^{-1}\sum_{I} |O_I|$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the order of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. As pointed out by David Speyer, $I$ is uniquely determined by these conditions. So a final form of the answer is obtained by explaining how to obtain $I$ from $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
By the characterization of order ideals in $P_\lambda$, we have that $v_i\leq v_{i-1}\leq v_i+(\lambda_{i-1}-\lambda_i)$.
Proposition. Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be an order ideal. Let $\mu$ be the type of the group obtained by going modulo an element of $O_I$. Then
$\mu_l=v_l$
$\mu_{l-1}=\lambda_l+v_{l-1}-v_l$
$\mu_{l-2}=\lambda_{l-1}+v_{l-2}-v_{n-1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_{i}=\lambda_{i+1}+v_i-v_{i+1}$
$\vdots$
$\mu_1=\lambda_2+v_1-v_2$.
Proof.
The gcd of $i\times i$ minors of the above matrix can be seen to be $v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$ (using the inequalities on $v_i$). Therefore, we get
$\mu_{l-i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l=v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$, from which the above identities follow.QED.
This allows us to recover $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$ once we know $\lambda$ and $\mu$, where (this also follows from the above proposition), $\mu$ is a partition obtained from $\lambda$ by removing a vertical horizontal strip of length $r$. In particular, $v$ is uniquely determined by $\lambda$ and $\mu$.
We get
$v_l=\mu_l$, and $v_i=\mu_i-[(\lambda_{i+1}+\dotsb+\lambda_l)-(\mu_{i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l)]$ for $i
Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be the order ideal defined by $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$. We get
$g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}=|O_I|/(p^r-p^{r-1})$.
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Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $(p^r-p^{r-1})^{-1}\sum_{I} |O_I|$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the order of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. The order of an element in As pointed out by David Speyer, $O_I$ I$ is easy to calculateuniquely determined by these conditions. So only the type a final form of the quotient requires some explanation, which answer is given below.obtained by explaining how to obtain $I$ from $\lambda$ and $\mu$. By the characterization of order ideals in $P_\lambda$, we have that $v_i\leq v_{i-1}\leq v_i+(\lambda_{i-1}-\lambda_i)$. Proposition. Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be an order ideal. Let $\mu$ be the type of the group obtained by going modulo an element of $O_I$. Then $\mu_l=v_l$ $\mu_{l-1}=\lambda_l+v_{l-1}-v_l$ $\mu_{l-2}=\lambda_{l-1}+v_{l-2}-v_{n-1}$ $\vdots$ $\mu_{i}=\lambda_{i+1}+v_i-v_{i+1}$ $\vdots$ $\mu_1=\lambda_2+v_1-v_2$. Proof.The gcd of $i\times i$ minors of the above matrix can be seen to be $v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$ (using the inequalities on $v_i$). Therefore, we get$\mu_{l-i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l=v_{l-i+1}+\lambda_{l-i}+\dotsb+\lambda_l$, from which the above identities follow.QED. This allows us to recover $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$ once we know $\lambda$ and $\mu$, where (this also follows from the above proposition), $\mu$ is a partition obtained from $\lambda$ by removing a vertical strip of length $r$. In particular, $v$ is uniquely determined by $\lambda$ and $\mu$. We get $v_l=\mu_l$, and $v_i=\mu_i-[(\lambda_{i+1}+\dotsb+\lambda_l)-(\mu_{i+1}+\dotsb+\mu_l)]$ for $i Let $I\subset P_\lambda$ be the order ideal defined by $(v_1,v_2,\dotsc)$. We get $g^\lambda_{(r)\mu}=|O_I|/(p^r-p^{r-1})$.
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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $g^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $\sum_{I} \frac{|O_I|}{p^{o(I)}-p^{o(I)-1}}$(p^r-p^{r-1})^{-1}\sum_{I} |O_I|$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the order $o(I)$ of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. The order $o(I)$ of an element in $O_I$ is easy to calculate. So only the type of the quotient requires some explanation, which is given below.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $g^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $\sum_{I} \frac{|O_I|}{p^{o(I)}-p^{o(I)-1}}$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the order $o(I)$ of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. The order $o(I)$ of an element in $O_I$ is easy to calculate. So only the type of the quotient requires some explanation, which is given below.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $H^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$g^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $\sum_{I} \frac{|O_I|}{p^{o(I)}-p^{o(I)-1}}$, the sum being over all $I$ for the order $o(I)$ of an element in $O_I$ is $p^r$ and for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. The order $o(I)$ of an element in $O_I$ is easy to calculate. So only the type of the quotient requires some explanation, which is given below.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
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Let's say you want to compute the Hall polynomial $H^\lambda_{(r),\mu}(p)$.
According to [Dutta and Prasad, Degenerations and orbits in finite abelian groups], the orbits under the automorphism group of a finite abelian group are given by $\{O_I|I\subset J(P_\lambda)\}$, where $J(P_\lambda)$ denotes the lattice of order ideals in a certain poset $P_\lambda$. The same paper also gives a formula for $|O_I|$.
Clearly, the Hall polynomial that you are looking for is $\sum_{I} \frac{|O_I|}{p^{o(I)}-p^{o(I)-1}}$, the sum being over all $I$ for which the quotient of the group of type $\lambda$ by any element of $O_I$ is of type $\mu$. The order $o(I)$ of an element in $O_I$ is easy to calculate. So only the type of the quotient requires some explanation, which is given below.
Given an element $(p^{v_1},p^{v_2},\dotsc)$, the type of the quotient is found by computing the Smith canonical form of the matrix $\begin{pmatrix} p^{\lambda_1} & & &\\ & p^{\lambda_2} & &\\ & & \ddots & \\& & &p^{\lambda_l}\\ p^{v_1} & p^{v_2} & \cdots & p^{v_l} \end{pmatrix}$.
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