# Hilbert Nullstellsatz and Non-Complete Fields [closed]

The Hilbert nullstellsatz tells us that for a complete field $K$, there is a bijective correspondence between K-varieties and finitely generated algegras over $K$.

When the field is not complete, eg $K=R$, what goes wrong here? We still have a map from the set of varieties over $K$ to finitely generated algebras over $K$. So it not to give us a bijection it must fail to be bijective or injective. Which of these happens? Does it fail to be surjective or injective or both?

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## closed as too localized by Martin Brandenburg, Felipe Voloch, Andy Putman, Gjergji Zaimi, Alain ValetteDec 19 '11 at 5:55

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You certainly mean "algebraically closed" instead of "complete". – Robert Kucharczyk Dec 17 '11 at 21:23
Also you have to make precise your use of the term "variety", since this is used differently by different authors. But with any of the usual definitions, your statement of Hilbert's Nullstellensatz is wrong. – Robert Kucharczyk Dec 17 '11 at 21:28
In $\mathbb{A}^2_{\mathbb{R}}$ polynomials $x^2+y^2$ and $x^4+y^4$ define the same variety. – Mahdi Majidi-Zolbanin Dec 17 '11 at 21:31
@Mahdi: well, that exactly depends on what you understand by "variety". If you work in scheme theory (as your notation $\mathbb{A}_{\mathbb{R}}^2$ suggests), then they are not the same. Their sets of $\mathbb{R}$-valued points are. – Robert Kucharczyk Dec 17 '11 at 21:34
@Mahdi: Well, let's just wait for him to explain what he actually means, because at least for my taste the current formulation can be interpreted in many different ways, yielding many different answers. – Robert Kucharczyk Dec 17 '11 at 21:43

When $K$ is not algebraically closed, one useful choice of replacement for the naive notion of an affine algebraic subset of $K^n$ is an affine algebraic subset of $\bar{K}^n$ which is a union of orbits of the absolute Galois group $\text{Gal}(\bar{K}/K)$. The Nullstellensatz, together with the fundamental theorem of Galois theory, implies that such things correspond bijectively to radical ideals of $K[x_1, ... x_n]$.

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Let me try an example to see if I understand this correctly: Take $K=\mathbb{R}$, $n=2$. Then $\overline{K}=\mathbb{C}$. (Do we start with an affine algebraic subset of $\mathbb{R}^2$ and find the union of its orbits under absolute Galois group?) Take $\{(0,0)\}$ as your algebraic subset of $\mathbb{R}^2$ and apply $\mathbf{Gal}(\mathbb{C}/\mathbb{R})$ to $\{(0,0)\}$. We get $\{(0,0)\}$. What radical ideal of $\mathbb{R}[x_1,x_2]$ does it correspond to? (Did I understand what you wrote correctly?) – Mahdi Majidi-Zolbanin Dec 18 '11 at 20:30
@Mahdi: an affine algebraic subset of $K^n$ doesn't have an action of the absolute Galois group. You want an affine algebraic subset of $\bar{K}^n$ as I said. In your example the corresponding ideal is just the ideal $(x, y)$ of all real polynomials vanishing at $(0, 0)$. Nothing tricky happening here. – Qiaochu Yuan Dec 18 '11 at 21:08
Now I see. So a priori such an algebraic set corresponds (bijectively) to a radical ideal of $\overline{K}[x_1,\ldots,x_n]$ but because of Galois Theory the generators are in fact in $K[x_1,\ldots,x_n]$. – Mahdi Majidi-Zolbanin Dec 18 '11 at 21:35
Would this construction replace usefully using schemes, in some respect? Have you seen it used anywhere? Further ideas or comments will be very welcome. – plm Feb 24 '12 at 19:15
@plm: Bjorn Poonen taught it at MIT in fall 2009. You can read his notes here: math.mit.edu/~poonen/782/782notes.pdf . (To my memory he did not give a completely precise definition of an affine variety over a non-algebraically closed field, but he did stress the use of points over finite extensions of $K$.) – Qiaochu Yuan Feb 25 '12 at 19:58

First, I would like to offer a more rigorous statement of Hilbert's Nullstellensatz from Dummit and Foote's Abstract Algebra:

Let $E$ be an algebraically closed field. Then $\mathcal{I}(\mathcal{Z}(I)) = \mathop{\mathrm{rad}} I$ for every ideal $I$ of $E[x_1, \ldots, x_n].$ Moreover the maps $\mathcal{Z}$ and $\mathcal{I}$ in the correspondence $$\{ \mbox{affine algebraic sets} \} \xleftarrow[\mathcal{Z}]{\xrightarrow{\mathcal{I}}} \{\mbox{radical ideals} \}$$ are bijections of each other.

Now, it should be absolutely obvious why the bijection breaks down when the field considered is $\mathbb{R}$. $\mathbb{R}$ is not algebraically closed (consider $x^2+1 \in \mathbb{R}[x]$, which has a variety that includes $i\not\in \mathbb{R}$) so the Nullstellensatz does not apply and the bijection does not happen.

As for whether or not this is a failure to be injective or surjective, that depends on whether you are talking about $\mathcal{Z}$ or $\mathcal{I}.$

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