Given a rank-2 group $G= < a,b> $ . Is it true and trivial that $ [G,G] = < [a,b], [b,a] > $ ?
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Given a rank-2 group $G= < a,b> $ . Is it true and trivial that $ [G,G] = < [a,b], [b,a] > $ ? Thanks ! |
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closed as too localized by Fernando Muro, Chris Godsil, Igor Rivin, HW, Bugs Bunny Jul 10 at 16:52 |
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No, the derived subgroup of the free group of rank 2 is infinitely generated (as every normal subgroup of infinite index), see W. Magnus, A. Karras, D. Solitar, Combinatorial group theory. |
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Also, every finite non-Abelian simple group is generated by two elements, and no such group has cyclic derived subgroup. (R. Steinberg proved in a uniform manner that simple groups of Lie type are 2-generated, and the alternating groups are easily seen to be 2-generated, so it isn't necessary to invoke the full classification of finite simple groups to answer the question in the negative). For that matter, for $n >3,$ the symmetric group $S_{n} = \langle (12),(12....n) \rangle,$ but its derived group is $A_{n},$ which is not cyclic. |
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The commutator subgroup of the free group $\langle a,b \rangle$ is freely generated by the set $$\lbrace [a^n,b^m] \mid n,m \in \mathbb Z, nm \neq 0 \rbrace.$$ |
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There is a very general theorem (see Proposition 4 in Chapter 1 of J-P. Serre, Trees. Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg (1980).) which says: Let $A$ and $B$ be two groups. The kernel of the natural quotient map $A\ast B\rightarrow A\times B$ is a free group generated by all commutators of the form $[a,b]$ where $a\in A - {1}$ and $b\in B - {1}$. Your question is the special case that $A=B=\mathbb{Z}$. In short, it coincides exactly with Andreas' answer. |
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