enlarge the separation between two matrices - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net2013-05-20T17:45:44Zhttp://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/60723http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdfhttp://mathoverflow.net/questions/60723/enlarge-the-separation-between-two-matricesenlarge the separation between two matricesFederico Poloni2011-04-05T18:21:59Z2011-04-06T08:11:16Z
<p>The <em>separation</em> between two square matrices $A$ and $B$, often used as a measure of the sensitivity of invariant subspace problems, is defined as
$$
\operatorname{sep}(A,B)=\min_{X\neq 0}\frac{\left\Vert AX-XB\right\Vert}{\left\Vert X\right\Vert}
$$
for a suitable matrix norm (see e.g. the book by Stewart and Sun or Golub and Van Loan, Section 7.2.4).</p>
<p>Intuitively, it measures the distance between the spectra of $A$ and $B$: if they share an eigenvalue, $\operatorname{sep}(A,B)=0$, and if at least two of their eigenvalues are very close then it is small.</p>
<p>Let $S$ be a stable matrix, i.e., $\Re\lambda<0 $ for each of its eigenvalues $\lambda$. Let $U$ be an unstable matrix, i.e., $-U$ is stable. I would like to prove that $$\operatorname{sep}(S,U)<\operatorname{sep}(S,kU)$$ for $k>1$, or at least some weaker result on the lines of "if I take the eigenvalues more far apart than they are, then the separation increases". For instance,
$$\operatorname{sep}(S,O)<\operatorname{sep}(S,U),$$ where $O$ is the zero matrix (of size $1\times 1$, or of the same size of $U$, does not matter) would suit my needs. Establishing this result for at least one among Euclidean and Frobenius norm would be fine.</p>
<p>Is there any known result in this direction, to your knowledge?</p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/60723/enlarge-the-separation-between-two-matrices/60786#60786Answer by S. Sra for enlarge the separation between two matricesS. Sra2011-04-06T08:11:16Z2011-04-06T08:11:16Z<p>For the Frobenius norm the answer seems to be <em>no</em>. I haven't tested the operator-2 norm, but it might meet a similar fate.</p>
<p>Here's a simplistic argument. For the Frobenius norm, the separation as defined above reduces to
$$\Delta(S,U) := \text{sep}(S,U) = \sigma_\min( I \otimes S - U^T\otimes I),$$
where $\sigma_\min(A)$ denotes the minimum singular value of the matrix $A$.</p>
<p>Now, we wish to check whether $$\Delta(S,0) < \Delta(S,U),$$
for a stable $S$ and unstable $U$. In our notation, this inequality amounts to checking if
$$\sigma_\min(I\otimes S) = \sigma_\min(S) < \sigma_\min(I\otimes S - U^T\otimes I).$$
Seems like there should be an easy counterexample to this assertion. Below is a brute force numerical example:</p>
<p>For simplicity, I try out with $2 \times 2$ matrices. Consider the following matrices:
$$S=\begin{bmatrix}-0.4543 & 0.0817\\
-0.6674 & -0.7632
\end{bmatrix},\qquad\qquad
U= \begin{bmatrix}
1.1757 & -0.5510\\
2.2971 &-0.8426
\end{bmatrix}$$</p>
<p>We have $Re(\lambda(S)) = (-.6088,-.6088)$, while $Re(\lambda(U)) = (.1666,.1666)$</p>
<p>$\sigma_\min(S) = .3837$, while $\sigma_\min(I\otimes S - U^T\otimes I) = .1713$</p>
<p>It seems that more meaningful bounds might be possible, if we restrict $S$ and $U$ to be normal matrices.</p>