does the j-invariant satisfy a rational differential equation? - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net2013-05-22T05:44:15Zhttp://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/54221http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdfhttp://mathoverflow.net/questions/54221/does-the-j-invariant-satisfy-a-rational-differential-equationdoes the j-invariant satisfy a rational differential equation?Michael Beeson2011-02-03T18:37:14Z2011-09-12T17:35:19Z
<p>Let $j$ be the Klein $j$-invariant (from the theory of modular functions).<br>
Does $j$ satisfy a differential equation of the form $j^\prime (z) = f(j(z),z)$ for
any rational function $f$? </p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/54221/does-the-j-invariant-satisfy-a-rational-differential-equation/54234#54234Answer by Felipe Voloch for does the j-invariant satisfy a rational differential equation?Felipe Voloch2011-02-03T20:33:23Z2011-02-03T20:33:23Z<p>The j-function satisfies a third-order differential equation. I've learned this from an old paper of Daniel Bertrand which I am having trouble locating right now. Maybe is this one:</p>
<p>MR0550281 (81i:10042) Bertrand, Daniel Propriétés arithmétiques des dérivées de la fonction modulaire $j(\tau )$. (French) Séminaire de Théorie des Nombres 1977–1978, Exp. No. 22, 4 pp., CNRS, Talence, 1978, 10F37 (10F35)</p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/54221/does-the-j-invariant-satisfy-a-rational-differential-equation/54235#54235Answer by Alison Miller for does the j-invariant satisfy a rational differential equation?Alison Miller2011-02-03T20:33:48Z2011-09-12T17:35:19Z<p>No. Conceptually, the reason is that $j'(z)$ is a weakly holomorphic (= holomorphic except at the cusp at infinity, where it has a pole) modular form of weight $2$, so it cannot be expressed in terms of $j$ (weakly holomorphic modular form of weight $0$) and $z$ (not anywhere near being a modular form).</p>
<p>For a rigorous proof:</p>
<p>Note that $j(z+1) = j(z)$, so $j'(z+1) = j'(z)$.</p>
<p>Suppose that the $j$ invariant did satisfy a differential equation of your form. Then we'd have $f(j(z), z) = f(j(z+1), z+1) = f(j(z), z+1)$. Note that the functions $z$ and $j(z)$ are algebraically independent (this is just saying that $j(z)$ is a transcendental function). Hence the underlying two-variable rational function $f(x, y)$ satisfies $f(x, y) = f(x, y+1)$. This then easily implies that $f(x, y)$ must be independent of $y$, e.g. $f(x, y) = g(x)$ for some rational function $g$.</p>
<p>So our original differential equation must actually take the form $j'(z) = f(j(z))$. But the left hand side is a nonzero (weakly holomorphic) modular form of weight $2$ while the right hand side has weight 0, and a nonzero modular form has a unique weight, so this is impossible.</p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/54221/does-the-j-invariant-satisfy-a-rational-differential-equation/54312#54312Answer by Martin Rubey for does the j-invariant satisfy a rational differential equation?Martin Rubey2011-02-04T13:45:35Z2011-02-04T13:45:35Z<p>(this is too long for a comment)</p>
<p>Here is the explicit equation of order three for the $q$-expansion of $j$ multiplied by $q$. Keep in mind that this does not prove that there is no order one differential equation, so it is not an answer to the question.</p>
<pre>
n
[x ]f(x):
3 4 4 3 5 2 , 2 5
(2x f(x) - 6912x f(x) + 5971968x f(x) )f (x) - 2x f(x)
+
3 4 4 3
6912x f(x) - 5971968x f(x)
*
,,,
f (x)
+
3 4 4 3 5 2 ,, 2
(- 3x f(x) + 10368x f(x) - 8957952x f(x) )f (x)
+
2 4 3 3 4 2 , 5
(6x f(x) - 20736x f(x) + 17915904x f(x) )f (x) - 6x f(x)
+
2 4 3 3
20736x f(x) - 17915904x f(x)
*
,,
f (x)
+
3 2 4 5 , 4
(x f(x) - 1968x f(x) + 2654208x )f (x)
+
2 3 3 2 4 , 3
(- 4x f(x) + 7872x f(x) - 10616832x f(x))f (x)
+
4 2 3 3 2 , 2
(5x f(x) - 8352x f(x) + 12939264x f(x) )f (x)
+
5 4 2 3 , 5 4
(- 2f(x) + 960x f(x) - 4644864x f(x) )f (x) + 1488f(x) - 331776x f(x)
=
0
,
2 3 4
f(x)= 1 + 744x + 196884x + 21493760x + O(x )]
</pre>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/54221/does-the-j-invariant-satisfy-a-rational-differential-equation/54369#54369Answer by David Grant for does the j-invariant satisfy a rational differential equation?David Grant2011-02-04T21:54:37Z2011-02-04T21:54:37Z<p>A third-order differential equation for $j(\tau)$ is gotten via the Schwarzian derivative. The result is (1.13) of the paper by Harnad: <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/solv-int/9902013" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/solv-int/9902013</a></p>