Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net 2013-05-18T14:36:42Z http://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/4172 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Harrison Brown 2009-11-04T23:48:24Z 2012-01-15T02:59:03Z <p>The more math I read, the more I see concepts from statistical mechanics popping up -- all over the place in combinatorics and dynamical systems, but also in geometric situations. So naturally I've been trying to get a grasp on statistical mechanics for a while, but I haven't been very successful. I've skimmed through a couple of textbooks, but they tended to be heavy on the physical consequences and light on the mathematical underpinnings (and even to an extent light on the physical/mathematical intuition, which is inexcusable!)</p> <p>I suspect that part of the problem is that, unlike the analogous situation with quantum mechanics, I'm not sure what mathematics I can fall back on if I don't "get" some statistical model. So, is there a good resource for statistical mechanics for the mathematically-minded? </p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/4200#4200 Answer by jc for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? jc 2009-11-05T03:00:11Z 2009-11-05T03:00:11Z <p>There are apparently only a few books on rigorous results in statistical mechanics. David Ruelle's books are apparently standard, though I found them difficult to digest when I picked them up. One which I found more accessible is "Introduction to Mathematical Statistical Physics" by Minlos.</p> <p>A personal note is that I found statistical mechanics very unintuitive and difficult to learn at first. I felt that the formalism didn't come together for me until I was familiar with a multitude of physical systems.</p> <p>A more advanced book which I really love for giving physical intuition is Cardy's book on the renormalization group (though this thin book is very light on rigor!)</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/4201#4201 Answer by Will Orrick for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Will Orrick 2009-11-05T03:00:40Z 2009-11-05T03:00:40Z <p>McCoy and Wu's "The Two-Dimensional Ising Model" is, of course, devoted mostly to the Ising model, but one can learn a lot about statistical mechanics in general by reading it.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/4204#4204 Answer by Will Orrick for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Will Orrick 2009-11-05T03:03:52Z 2009-11-05T03:03:52Z <p>There are also Feynman's lecture notes: "Statistical mechanics: a set of lectures". I haven't used them myself.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/4205#4205 Answer by Will Orrick for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Will Orrick 2009-11-05T03:10:54Z 2009-11-05T03:10:54Z <p>It's certainly not a basic book, but Itzykson and Drouffe's "Statistical Field Theory" gives a good overview of the use of quantum field theory techniques in statistical mechanics. Some of the chapters are quite readable.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/4207#4207 Answer by Will Orrick for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Will Orrick 2009-11-05T03:30:20Z 2009-11-05T03:30:20Z <p>A classic book on solvable two-dimensional models is Baxter's "Exactly Solved Models in Statistical Mechanics", now available in a new edition from Dover. The Yang-Baxter equation, of course, has many connections with important branches of mathematics. This book explains its origins and use in solving certain physically motivated models.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/4208#4208 Answer by David Speyer for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? David Speyer 2009-11-05T03:36:47Z 2009-11-05T03:36:47Z <p>For a much lower level answer, I found the relevant chapters in volume 1 of the Feynman lectures to be a helpful introduction.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/4212#4212 Answer by Anonymous for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Anonymous 2009-11-05T04:27:57Z 2009-11-05T04:27:57Z <p>"Statistical Mechanics: Entropy, Order Parameters, and Complexity" by James Sethna (my favorite) and "Statistical Mechanics" by Kerson Huang are both really good books. Sethna's book is very readable and engaging; Huang's is more of a syatematic textbook.</p> <p>Ruelle's book is mathematically rigorous but is aimed at people who already know something about the field. Baxter's book is incredibly valuable for what it covers, but it is highly specialized and provides no motivation for people who aren't already comfortable with the basic formalism.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/5369#5369 Answer by Andrew Tuggle for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Andrew Tuggle 2009-11-13T15:18:49Z 2009-11-13T15:18:49Z <p>MIT's OpenCourseWare has excellent resources for statistical physics. See, for instance, <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/8-044Spring-2008/Syllabus/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/8-044Spring-2008/Syllabus/index.htm</a>.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/5413#5413 Answer by Jiahao Chen for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Jiahao Chen 2009-11-13T18:38:37Z 2009-11-13T18:38:37Z <p>Many physics people like Pathria's <em>Statistical Mechanics</em>. It's good for physical intuition.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/5420#5420 Answer by Jiahao Chen for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Jiahao Chen 2009-11-13T19:00:49Z 2009-11-13T19:00:49Z <p>A really good first textbook for statistical mechanics is David Chandler's <em>Introduction to Modern Statistical Mechanics</em>. It's written by a physical chemist for senior undergraduates and does an excellent job distilling down the very fundamental material into a one-semester course at Berkeley. It's not at all math heavy.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/11943#11943 Answer by Steve Huntsman for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Steve Huntsman 2010-01-16T00:34:43Z 2010-01-16T00:34:43Z <blockquote> <p>So, is there a good resource for statistical mechanics for the mathematically-minded? </p> </blockquote> <p>If you are looking for a book, the real answer is <strong>"not really"</strong>. As a mathematician masquerading as a physicist (more often than not of a statistical-physical flavor) I have looked long, hard, and often for such a thing. The books cited above are some of the <em>best</em> for what you want (I own or have read at least parts of many of them), but I would not say that any are really <em>good</em> for your purposes. </p> <p>Many bemoan the lack of The Great Statistical Physics text (and many cite Landau and Lifshitz, or Feynman, or a few other standard references while wishing there was something better), and when it comes to mathematical versions people naturally look to Ruelle. But I would agree that the Minlos book (which I own) is better for an introduction than Ruelle (which I have looked at, but never wanted to buy). </p> <p>Other useful books not mentioned above are Thompson's <em>Mathematical Statistical Mechanics</em>, Yeomans' <em>Statistical Mechanics of Phase Transitions</em> and Goldenfeld's <em>Lectures On Phase Transitions And The Renormalization Group</em>. None of them are really special, though if I had to recommend one book to you it would be one of these or maybe Minlos.</p> <p>You might do better in relative terms with quantum statistical mechanics, where some operator algebraists have made some respectable stabs at mathematical treatments that still convey physics. But really that stuff is at a pretty high level (and deriving the KMS condition from the Gibbs postulate in the Heisenberg picture can be done in a few lines) so the benefit is probably marginal at best.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/15796#15796 Answer by PatrĂ­cia Cunha for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? PatrĂ­cia Cunha 2010-02-19T07:42:54Z 2010-02-19T07:42:54Z <p>Well, how everyone said, there is not yet a didactic book for the entire subject but, there exists some texts and books about topics of the theory such that you can read rapidly than Ruelle.</p> <p>Some examples:(all are rigorous)</p> <p>The classical: <em>Gibbs Measures and Phase Transitions.</em> De Gruyter Studies in Mathematics Vol. 9. Berlin: de Gruyter 1988. by H.-O. Georgii</p> <p><em>Entropy, Large Deviations and Statistical Mechanics.</em> Springer-Verlag. by Richard S. Ellis.</p> <p><em>The statistical mechanics of lattice gases</em>, volume 1 by Barry Simon </p> <p>And, there are many surveys and currently appears new reviews about some topics, some examples(I included pages of mathematicians that work on the subject, in their pages you can get some introductory texts):</p> <p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0712.1171" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0712.1171</a></p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/15797#15797 Answer by Bissacot for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Bissacot 2010-02-19T07:48:36Z 2010-02-19T07:48:36Z <p>Sorry, the last answer, it is mine.</p> <p><a href="http://www.statmeca.fmns.rug.nl/" rel="nofollow">http://www.statmeca.fmns.rug.nl/</a></p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/15798#15798 Answer by Bissacot for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Bissacot 2010-02-19T07:50:05Z 2010-02-19T15:31:04Z <p><a href="http://www.univ-rouen.fr/LMRS/Persopage/Fernandez/" rel="nofollow">http://www.univ-rouen.fr/LMRS/Persopage/Fernandez/</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.unige.ch/math/folks/velenik/" rel="nofollow">http://www.unige.ch/math/folks/velenik/</a></p> <p><a href="http://www-old.math.gatech.edu/~jeanbel/" rel="nofollow">http://www-old.math.gatech.edu/~jeanbel/</a> (quantum)</p> <p><a href="http://www.mat.ufmg.br/~aldo/research.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mat.ufmg.br/~aldo/research.html</a> (cluster expansion)</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/15799#15799 Answer by anon for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? anon 2010-02-19T08:10:12Z 2010-02-19T08:10:12Z <p>If the goal is to really learn statistical physics, I suspect Steve Huntsman's answer is probably correct. </p> <p>It sounds like your goal is primarily to get a quick overview of how mathematicians use statistical physics, with lots of intuition, and lots of applications to nearby areas, but not necessarily much physics or any 'best possible' results. If that is the case, the Montanari/Mezard book `Information, Physics and Computation' is excellent. The emphasis is on teaching many different techniques, rather than on the statistical physics itself, and it is really written as a textbook rather than a reference book (i.e. the theorems are the easiest ones to understand, not the most powerful ones to use). In other words, it has exactly the mathematical underpinnings, but doesn't cover what many of the other books treat as central material.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/15828#15828 Answer by Ian Durham for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Ian Durham 2010-02-19T18:28:45Z 2010-02-19T18:28:45Z <p><strong>Start here:</strong> <em>An Introduction to Thermal Physics</em> by Dan Schroeder is an excellent introduction that provides a single, consistent mathematical underpinning providing the insight necessary to truly understand things like entropy and the differences between the classical and quantum cases of statistical mechanics. I can't emphasize enough how important the core ideas of that book are to understanding the foundations of statistical mechanics. (As an aside, Schroeder also happens to be the coauthor, with Michael Peskin, of <em>An Introduction to Quantum Field Theory</em> which has purportedly replaced Bjorken and Drell as the standard in that field, though this is only hearsay.)</p> <p><strong>Supplement with:</strong> <em>Foundations of Statistical Mechanics</em> by Oliver Penrose which is another consistent approach, and the still relevant <em>Statistical Physics</em> by Landau and Lifshitz.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/17201#17201 Answer by Chirag Lakhani for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Chirag Lakhani 2010-03-05T18:32:50Z 2010-03-05T18:32:50Z <p>I've only briefly looked at it but the book <em><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=1WlFhiz5UjwC&amp;dq=Mehran+Kardar&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s" rel="nofollow">Statistical Physics of Particles</a></em> by Mehran Kardar seems pretty good. It starts with an introduction to the relevant probability theory and then moves on to the basics of statistical mechanics. There is also a subsequent book <em><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=nTxBhGX01P4C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=Mehran+Kardar&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;cd=2#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">Statistical Physics of Fields</a></em>.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/17262#17262 Answer by Taylor Dupuy for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Taylor Dupuy 2010-03-06T03:32:01Z 2010-03-06T03:32:01Z <p>Khinchin, Mathematical Foundations of Statistical Mechanics. $2.94 used on Amazon.</p> <p><a href="http://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/0486601471" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Mathematical-Foundations-Statistical-Mechanics-Khinchin/dp/0486601471</a></p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/20910#20910 Answer by Yvan Velenik for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Yvan Velenik 2010-04-10T10:36:04Z 2010-04-10T10:36:04Z <p>This topic is old, but I'll still add my 2¢. I usually don't really like statistical mechanics books aimed at physicists, as they are often much more focused on computational techniques than on concepts. There are however very good lecture notes by Yoshi Oono, available on his page:</p> <p><a href="http://web.me.com/oono/Y_OONO_official_site/tutorial.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.me.com/oono/Y_OONO_official_site/tutorial.html</a></p> <p>The relevant file is SecondSMR.pdf . Notice that this is a password-protected pdf file, unfortunately. The password is given on the page, though.</p> <p>This book is aimed at physicists, but contains a very unusual amount of mathematical content, esp. in footnotes, with many references to the math. phys. literature. This book assumes that the reader already has some knowledge of this field. There are other lecture notes, aimed at undergraduates, on his page as well (I haven't looked closely at those, so I cannot comment on their quality):</p> <p><a href="http://web.me.com/oono/Y_OONO_official_site/tutorial_%28undergrad%29.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.me.com/oono/Y_OONO_official_site/tutorial_(undergrad).html</a></p> <p>Yvan</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/45723#45723 Answer by Sky for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Sky 2010-11-11T16:45:38Z 2010-11-11T16:45:38Z <p>If you know some statistics, you will probably find J. Rau <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/9805024" rel="nofollow">Statistical mechanics in a nutshell</a> 22 pages long essay very clear and motivating.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/56287#56287 Answer by aernout van Enter for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? aernout van Enter 2011-02-22T14:50:15Z 2011-02-22T14:50:15Z <p>Two other books which are worthwhile I find R.B. Israel: Convexity in the Theory of Lattice gases. It has wonderful introduction by Wightman , which is like book in itself. it is limited in scope but is excellent in what it treats. T.C. Dorlas Statistical mechanics, is written by a mathematical physicist and covers many topics in a more rigorous way than most physics textbooks do.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/56298#56298 Answer by Zoltan Zimboras for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Zoltan Zimboras 2011-02-22T16:38:05Z 2011-02-22T16:38:05Z <p>For quantum statistical mechanics the standard textbooks are:</p> <p>O. Bratteli, D.W. Robinson, Operator Algebras and Quantum Statistical Mechanics. Vol. 1: C* and W*-algebras. Symmetry Groups. Decomposition of States. </p> <p>O. Bratteli, D.W. Robinson, Operator Algebras and Quantum Statistical Mechanics. Vol. 2: Equilibrium States. Models in Quantum Statistical Mechanics. </p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/56352#56352 Answer by Max for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Max 2011-02-23T01:51:19Z 2011-02-23T01:51:19Z <p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Statistical-Mechanics-Disordered-Systems-Probabilistic/dp/0521849918" rel="nofollow">Statistical Mechanics of Disordered Systems, a Mathematical Perspective</a>, by Anton Bovier. Part I provides a brief introduction to statistical mechanics, while the rest two parts focus on disordered systems. To my understanding, the author treats the problems from a mathematical point of view. </p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/63629#63629 Answer by Abdelmalek Abdesselam for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? Abdelmalek Abdesselam 2011-05-01T18:08:58Z 2011-05-01T18:08:58Z <p>One of the best books on statistical mechanics and its mathematical aspects is "Statistical Mechanics, A Short Treatise" by G. Gallavotti, Springer, 1999: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=2jDuMESyj6MC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=gallavotti+statistical+mechanics&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=hVtNzYYgs9&amp;sig=HI0w5OP6nyiaozqH8uDdSrHIiCg&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=46C9TaGiEoS5tgfqmZTHBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CBsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">Google Books link</a>.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/4172/where-does-a-math-person-go-to-learn-statistical-mechanics/85707#85707 Answer by josep for Where does a math person go to learn statistical mechanics? josep 2012-01-15T02:59:03Z 2012-01-15T02:59:03Z <p>Two short easy places to start. Of course after that, there are lots. Schroedinger's lecture notes on Statistical Thermodynamics are a clearly thought out gem of pedagogy, it was really his forte. And you don't need to finish the book either.</p> <p>Khinchin's monograph on Mathematical Foundations of Statistical Mechanics is also incredibly insightful, although you can skip the proofs, and again, the first half of the book suffices. </p> <p>This will give you a clear, logical, and physical foundation to then go on and read anything else.</p>