When should a result be made into a paper? - MathOverflow

When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-10T22:41:58Z

I recently posted a short (6 page) note on arXiv, and have more or less decided that I should not submit it to a journal. I could have tacked it onto the end of a previous paper, but I thought it would be somewhat incongruous -- it is an interesting consequence of the key lemma unrelated to the main result. I really liked the concision of the paper and didn't want to spoil it.

This brings to my mind several philosophical and/or ethical questions about the culture of publishing that I find interesting, particularly at this point in my life since I am nearing the point of seeking a permanent position.

Two things are clear: It is to one's advantage, especially in the early career stage, to have many publications. It is also to one's advantage to have a strong publications. So take a result that is not very difficult to prove, but is interesting mostly because I think it may be useful as a stepping stone to another as-yet-unknown result. Given that I have already put it on arXiv, is "because I think it could be published" a good enough reason to publish it?
One good reason to submit a paper to a journal is to have it in the refereed scientific record. I was tempted to claim the result at the end of the previous paper without proof as a remark, but in the end thought better of making such a claim without giving a proof. How bad is it to make such a claim if the proof (or even the truth) is not obvious, but can be proven as a reasonably straightforward generalization of someone else's proof of a different result?
This is a more pragmatic and frank question. Should young researchers be careful to avoid the impression of splitting their work into MPUs (minimum publishable units)? In this instance my reasons for not including the result in another paper are somewhat complex and non-obvious.
As a counterpoint to 3, how should one balance the purity/linearity of the ideas/results in a paper, versus including as many related results as possible?

I realize that these are very soft and subjective questions, but I am interested to hear opinions on the matter, even if there is no universally true answer.

Answer by Thierry Zell for When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-10T23:07:43Z

In terms of what's best career-wise, I think it would depend a lot on where you end up. As far as what's best for the community, obviously many redundant papers are not ideal, but it would make sense to publish your result separately if both hold:

it does not quite fit in with the rest of the other paper (as you already mentioned);
you find it interesting enough that there is reason to believe it might be used later.

We like to complain about the over-abundance of papers in our fields, but, too often, very useful results end up in footnotes of almost unrelated papers, which makes it awkward for reference and dissemination. And there's nothing wrong with concise papers.

Answer by sleepless in beantown for When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-11T01:14:38Z

I strongly feel that a nice concise result that can stand on its own should be and is worthy of publication.

Anchor it with a prologue consisting of some of the context of your paper where you felt that your key lemma leads to this result. Perhaps add some interesting consequences that you can be certain of, and some conjectures which you can intuit but not yet prove, and would be worthy of investigation, in your estimation.

Don't worry about someone else thinking that you are breaking apart pieces that belong together into "Minimum publishable units". It's wonderful if one paper can consist of an astounding result with many sequelae; but it's just as wonderful to have a paper with a good clear proof and result, with sequelae sequestered into following papers which build upon that result. Perhaps this short paper should be published in a different journal, a different category of mathematics, a journal with a different focus?

If you felt that the pieces belonged together, you could have included it in your prior paper. You obviously feel that this result is a consequence of your paper's key lemma, but pointing in a different direction which did not flow along with or fit in with the construction or design or architecture of your prior paper. My opinion is to go ahead and fill out this new result with more implications and more context, and attempt to publish it as a separate piece.

Answer by gordon-royle for When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-11T01:20:49Z

Deans can count.

Answer by Alex Bartel for When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-11T01:48:39Z

Following Yemon's suggestion, I'm turning a comment into an answer:

I would say, if you think that the result is interesting enough to be put on the arXiv, then it should be interesting enough to appear on paper. Besides, the opinion of the referee, whose main job will be to assess exactly that - the interest of the result - will provide a nice check for your own judgement. If it's just you who finds the result interesting, then it won't get published anyway. If on the other hand the referee agrees with you, then you will be glad that you submitted, since it indicates that the community is interested after all.

As for strategic career-planning, I'm not in the position to give advice on that, but it would seem very strange to me if an extra publication turned out to be detrimental to the career.

Answer by Pete L. Clark for When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-11T02:18:25Z

This is a question of interest to most mathematicians who are research active and not slowly but surely knocking off important problems in their field at the rate of one per paper. (I think I could have ended the previous sentence at the word "active" without much affecting the meaning!)

I think the answer is ultimately quite personal: you are free to set your own standards as to how much of your work to publish. I myself understand the psychology both ways: on the one hand, math is usually long, hard work and when you finish off something, you want to record that accomplishment and receive some kind of "credit" for it. On the other hand, we want to display the best of what we have done, not the entirety. This position is well understood in the artistic and literary world: e.g. some authors spend years on works that they deem not ready to be released. Sometimes they literally destroy or throw away their work, and when they don't, their executors are faced with difficult ethical issues. (This is roaming off-topic, but I highly recommend Milan Kundera's book-length essay Testaments Betrayed, especially the part where he details the history of how after Kafka's death, his close friend Max Brod disobeyed Kafka's instructions and published a large amount of work that Kafka had specifically requested be destroyed. If Brod had done what he was told to do, the greater part of Kafka's Oeuvres -- e.g. The Trial, The Castle, Amerika -- would simply not exist to us. What does Kundera think of Brod's decision? He condemns it in the strongest possible terms!)

Another consideration is that publication of work is an effort in and of itself, to the extent that I would not say that anyone has a duty to do so, even after releasing it in some preprint form, as on the arxiv. A substandard work can be especially hard to publish in a "reasonable" journal. I have a friend who wrote a short note outlining the beginnings of a possible approach to a famous conjecture. She has high standards as to which journals are "reasonable", and rather than compromise much on this she determinedly resubmitted her paper time after time. And it worked -- eventually it got published somewhere pretty good, but I think she had four rejections first. I myself would probably not have the fortitude to resubmit a paper time after time to journals of roughly similar quality.

As you say, though, one advantage of formal publication is that the paper gets formal refereeing. Of course, the quality of this varies among journals, editors, referees and fields, but speaking as a number theorist / arithmetic geometer, most of my papers have gotten quite close readings (and required some revisions), to the extent that I have gained significant confidence in my work by going through this process. I have one paper -- my best paper, in fact! -- which I have rather mysteriously been unable to publish. It is nevertheless one of my most widely cited works, including by me (I have had little trouble publishing other, lesser papers which build on it), and it is a minor but nagging worry that a lot of people are using this work which has never received a referee's imprimatur. I will try again some day, but like I said, the battle takes something out of you.

Finally, you ask about how it looks for your career, which is a perfectly reasonable question to ask. I think young mathematicians might get the wrong idea: informal mathematical culture spends ~~a lot of~~ time sniping at people who publish "too many papers", especially those which seem similar to each other or are of uneven quality. Some wag (Rota?) once said that every mathematician judges herself by her best paper and judges every other mathematician by dividing his worst paper by the total number of papers he has published. But of course this is silly: we say this at dinner and over drinks, for whatever reasons (I think sour grapes must be a large part of it), but I have heard much, much less of this kind of talk when it comes to hiring and promotion discussions. On the contrary, very good mathematicians who have too few papers often get in a bit of trouble. As long as you are not "self plagiarizing" -- i.e., publishing the same results over and over again without admission -- I say that keeping an eye on the Least Publishable Unit is reasonable. Note that most journals also like shorter papers and sometimes themselves recommend splitting of content.

So, in summary, please do what you want! In your case, I see that you have on the order of ten other papers, so one more short paper which is in content not up there with your best work (I am going entirely on your description; I don't know enough about your area to judge the quality and haven't tried) is probably not going to make a big difference in your career. But it's not going to hurt it either: don't worry about that. So if in your heart you want this work to be published, go for it. If you can live without it, try that for a while and see how you feel later.

Answer by Greg Kuperberg for When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-11T06:20:29Z

My answer is similar to that of Pete Clark's.

Ethically, as long as what you write is sincere, you can arrange your results in whatever way you want in papers, and you can publish them in journals or not as you please. If you look at the way that many strong mathematicians write papers, some of them simply break every rule that you can imagine as to what "should count" as a paper. They can get away with it because they are trying to do something hard. For instance, Perelman's papers are extremely telegraphic and break a lot of rules. As it happens, they aren't published in journals, but no one cares, other than that I'm sure that many journals would love to have published these papers.

Unfortunately, if you need a job, the letter of publishing ethics is more important than the spirit, unless you game the system to some blatant extreme. It is just the mechanics of job searches and not the fault of any one search committee. You get almost no penalty for publishing small results; on the contrary it is risky not to expand a good result into several papers. In any case, many published results are routine extensions of known mathematics, dressed up by including every little detail of "the proof". Up to a point, even that is ethically fine. Unfortunately, it really is true in both hiring and promotion that quality is controversial, while quantity is an objective standard. (Even though quantity is also a highly distorted standard that is not measured in a consistent way.)

Mathematics is rigorous (ideally), but mathematics journals and the mathematics profession are not. I don't think that it works to impose axioms on the latter two. It's not that I don't care or that I believe that there are no standards, but I would rather see common sense than strict conventions.

Answer by Peter Shor for When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-11T12:52:37Z

My philosophy is: each paper should have one result (or closely connected collections of results) in it. That is, each paper should tell one story. This is based on past experience: when I put two different (although connected) results in one paper, everybody learned about the most important one, and nobody realized that the paper also contained the second.

For a more famous example, Alexander's paper on the Alexander polynomial contained a bunch of different results, including the skein relation (all connected, of course, because they were all about the Alexander polynomial). Everybody somehow forgot about the skein relation result, and did not realize that this result was also in the paper until after Conway had rediscovered it.

Would it have helped if the skein relation had been published in a different paper? I can't tell ... maybe everyone would have just forgotten entirely about the second paper. And I also can't say for sure why the skein relation result was overlooked. But my theory is that everybody just remembers one story associated with each paper, and that you shouldn't bother putting in anything that's not in that story.

Answer by Benoît Kloeckner for When should a result be made into a paper?

2010-10-13T12:19:08Z

I would say that concerning the overwhelmingly large number of mathematical papers that appears, the main question (for the mathematical community, your career is something else) is: will the publishing of your paper add more signal (being MathReviewed, if someone needs the result, she or he is likely to find it) or more noise? For example, concerning a slightly different question (when should one split a paper in two?), I tend to think that if splitting does improves the probability of finding any of the results by a MR search, then splitting is actually good.