Polygons arising from knot diagrams - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net 2013-05-19T02:40:51Z http://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/40887 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://mathoverflow.net/questions/40887/polygons-arising-from-knot-diagrams Polygons arising from knot diagrams Noah S 2010-10-03T00:38:14Z 2010-12-24T21:36:45Z <p>This question - so far as I know - has no broader mathematical significance, but it occurred to me a while ago and I haven't been able to make any headway.</p> <p>Any knot diagram $D$ splits the plane into a finite number of pieces. For example, in a standard diagram for a trefoil (e.g., <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trefoil_knot_left.svg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trefoil_knot_left.svg</a>), the plane is split into five pieces: one lying "outside the diagram," three "lobes" of the knot, and a central region around which the three "lobes" are arrayed. The outer region has three crossings on its boundary, as does the inner region; each of the lobes only have two crossings each on their boundaries.</p> <p>A diagram for a more complicated knot may split the plane into many more regions, and one of these regions may have many crossings on its boundary. My question is: Does there exist some $n$ such that for any knot $K$, there is a diagram $D$ of $K$ such that any region created by $D$ has at most $n$ crossings on its boundary?</p> <p>If the answer is no, a (very soft) question that then arises is: given a knot $K$, how hard is it to find the least $n$ ($=n_K$) such that for some diagram $D$ of $K$, every region created by $D$ has at most $n$ crossings on its boundary? For example, for any knot $K$, we can easily see that $n_K>2$.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/40887/polygons-arising-from-knot-diagrams/40890#40890 Answer by David Eppstein for Polygons arising from knot diagrams David Eppstein 2010-10-03T00:57:03Z 2010-10-03T00:57:03Z <p>I'm pretty sure something like the following construction can be used to transform any knot diagram into another diagram for the same knot in which each region has bounded complexity. I didn't draw the over-under relationships at the crossings but that's not a problem. <img src="http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/0xDE/knot-bounded-region-complexity.png" alt="alt text"></p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/40887/polygons-arising-from-knot-diagrams/40907#40907 Answer by Gerry Myerson for Polygons arising from knot diagrams Gerry Myerson 2010-10-03T04:32:07Z 2010-10-04T04:49:53Z <p>The consensus seems to be that the answer is 4. Here's a simple proof that it can't be anything less (that is, that 3 can't always work). It can be arranged that all vertices have degree 4. Let the diagram have $n$ vertices. By Euler, it has $n+2$ regions (including the outside region). Each vertex takes part in 4 regions, so the average number of vertices per region is $4n/(n+2)$. For $n\ge7$, this exceeds 3. If the average region has over 3 vertices, some region must have at least 4. </p> <p>Now here's a hand-waving argument that 4 is always possible (presented because I don't understand Ryan Budney's argument in the comment on the question). Find a region that has more than 4 vertices. Take two more-or-less opposite strands bounding that region, and do a Type 2 Reidemeister move on them. That will split the offending region into two regions (and a digon), each with fewer vertices than the original. Unfortunately, it will also introduce two new vertices into the region on the other side of each of the two strands, which may move one or both of them over 4. The hand-waving is that if you persist with doing Type 2 moves you will eventually get to all regions having 4 vertices or fewer. </p> <p>EDIT: I have lost faith in the hand-waving argument. If you start with a pentagram, which as a knot diagram represents a knot with 10 crossings, 10 triangles and 2 pentagons, then, persist as I may, I keep producing at least as many regions with 5 or more sides as I remove whenever I do a Reidemeister. </p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/40887/polygons-arising-from-knot-diagrams/40966#40966 Answer by Jana Archibald for Polygons arising from knot diagrams Jana Archibald 2010-10-03T22:36:05Z 2010-10-03T22:36:05Z <p>Colin Adams, Reiko Shinjo and Kokoro Tanaka have a paper (http://arxiv.org/abs/0812.2558) that shows that for any knot you can find a diagram which has only regions with 2, 4 and 5 sides. </p>