Wiener process related counterexample - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net 2013-05-26T00:45:29Z http://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/39928 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://mathoverflow.net/questions/39928/wiener-process-related-counterexample Wiener process related counterexample Cosmonut 2010-09-25T05:22:53Z 2010-11-09T05:13:42Z <p>The Wiener process is defined by the three properties: 1. $W(0) = 0$, 2. $W(t)$ is almost surely continuous, and 3. $W(t)$ has independent increments with $W(t) - W(s) \sim N(0, t-s)$ (for $0 ≤ s &lt; t$).</p> <p>What would be an example of a process which satisfies 1) and 3), but not 2) ?</p> <p>I am going to teach an introductory class on Brownian motion at advanced undergrad level. Just wanted to make sure that all the conditions are mutually independent.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/39928/wiener-process-related-counterexample/39930#39930 Answer by hawai for Wiener process related counterexample hawai 2010-09-25T05:48:38Z 2010-09-25T05:48:38Z <p>2) is necessary for the definition of topology of the process</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/39928/wiener-process-related-counterexample/39932#39932 Answer by Byron Schmuland for Wiener process related counterexample Byron Schmuland 2010-09-25T06:08:15Z 2010-09-25T06:08:15Z <p>This is not hard to find such an example. Let $P$ be Wiener measure on the space $\Omega = C([0,\infty))$ of continuous functions $t\mapsto \omega(t)$. Then the process $\omega(t)$ satisfies all three conditions of a Brownian motion.</p> <p>Now let's define a new process $W(t)$ that is "almost" equal to $\omega(t)$, but where we deliberately wreck the sample path continuity. </p> <p>Take any random time $T:\Omega\to [0,\infty)$ that has a continuous distribution on $(\Omega, P)$, and let $W(t,\omega)=\omega(t)$ when $t\not=T(\omega)$, but $W(t,\omega)=\omega(t)+1$ otherwise. The process $W(t)$ still satisfies 1 and 3 but the sample path continuity fails at exactly at the time point $T(\omega)$ for each $\omega$. </p> <p>There are many such random times $T$, for example you could use $T(\omega):=\inf [t>0: \omega(t)=1 ]$, i.e. the hitting time of 1.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/39928/wiener-process-related-counterexample/39935#39935 Answer by Reda for Wiener process related counterexample Reda 2010-09-25T07:46:45Z 2010-09-25T07:46:45Z <p>To continue on Byron's answer, properties 1) and 3) specify the law of the process, but not the topological features of a given trajectory $\omega$. In a sense, 1) and 3) are enough to define the Wiener measure, since generating n points from a brownian path only needs those. Byron exhibited another 'version' of the process that is not continuous by changing the process on a set of measure 0 (his stopping time will never hit a specific point $t$ taken in advance because the law of T has a density).</p> <p>A typical verification that needs to be done is if a process defined by its law has continuous versions, which is what entails <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_continuity_theorem" rel="nofollow">Kolmogorov continuity theorem</a> (link wikipedia page). Basically, the idea is that if $X_t$ and $X_s$ are close on average when $t$ and $s$ are close, you can change the process on a set of zero measure to get something continuous.</p> <p>I can also recommend reading the beginning of the classical Revuz and Yor about definitions of 'undistinguishable processes' and 'versions of the same process'.</p> <p>Cheers</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/39928/wiener-process-related-counterexample/43026#43026 Answer by Shai Covo for Wiener process related counterexample Shai Covo 2010-10-21T08:59:36Z 2010-10-21T09:29:04Z <p>The author of this question might be more pleased with the following answer. Let $U$ be a uniform(0,1) random variable, independent of a Brownian motion $W$. Then, the process $W'$ defined by $W'(t) = W(t) + {\mathbf 1}(t=U)$, where ${\mathbf 1}$ denotes indicator function, is discontinuous at time $U$. However, for any choice of (fixed) times $t_i$, $i=1,...,n$, we have, almost surely, $W'(t_i) = W(t_i)$ for all $i$, and hence, trivially, $W'$ has the same distributional properties stated for $W$. Furthermore, if we define $W'$ by $W'(t) = W(t) + {\mathbf 1}(t \in UA)$, where $A$ is a dense set in <code>$(0,\infty)$</code> of measure zero (and where <code>$UA:= \{Ua: a \in A\}$</code>), then $W'$ is nowhere continuous (since $UA$ is dense in $(0,\infty)$); nevertheless, as before, almost surely $W'(t_i) = W(t_i)$ for all $i=1,...,n$ (since ${\rm P}(t \in UA) = {\rm P}(t/U \in A) = 0$).</p> <p>Side notes: 1) Actually, as follows from the theory of Lévy processes, the almost sure continuity in the definition of Brownian motion is equivalent to almost sure cadlaguity (right-continuity with left limits); 2) The answer can be adapted to Lévy processes in general ($W$ is a special case), showing that the almost sure cadlaguity in the definition of Lévy process is not implied by the other conditions. </p> <p>Finally, the author of this question ``wanted to make sure that all the conditions are mutually independent.'' This is, however, not the case, if we split condition 3) into subconditions. See this thread: <a href="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/43015/the-conditions-in-the-definition-of-brownian-motion" rel="nofollow">link text</a></p>