The Green-Tao theorem and positive binary quadratic forms - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net 2013-05-22T11:41:45Z http://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/28047 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://mathoverflow.net/questions/28047/the-green-tao-theorem-and-positive-binary-quadratic-forms The Green-Tao theorem and positive binary quadratic forms Will Jagy 2010-06-13T17:34:11Z 2011-09-29T03:47:09Z <p>Some time ago I asked a question on consecutive numbers represented integrally by an integral positive binary quadratic form. It has occurred to me that, instead, the Green-Tao theorem may include a result on arithmetic progressions represented by a positive binary form. So my question is whether that is the case, do we already know that a positive binary form represents arbitrarily long arithmetic progressions? These would be primes in this general setting, thus quite different from consecutive integers of course.</p> <p>My main reference is<br> David A. Cox, Primes of the form $x^2 + n y^2.$ He defines the Dirichlet density on page 169. Then he states the Chebotarev Density Theorem (8.17) on page 170. Finally he gives the Dirichlet density of primes represented by a positive binary form on page 188, Theorem 9.12. EDIT::: Not difficult to state: with discriminant $\Delta &lt; 0$ and class number $h(\Delta),$ if the form is ambiguous (such as the principal form) the Dirichlet density of the set of primes it represents is $$\frac{1}{2 h(\Delta)},$$ while if the form is not ambiguous the Dirichlet density is $$\frac{1}{h(\Delta)}.$$ On page 190 he does the example $\Delta = -56.$ Here $x^2 + 14 y^2$ represents a set of primes with Dirichlet density $1/8,$ while $2 x^2 + 7 y^2$ also gets density $1/8,$ but in the other genus $3 x^2 + 2 x y + 5 y^2$ and $3 x^2 - 2 x y + 5 y^2$ each represent the same set of primes with density $1/4.$ Note on page 195 we have Exercise 9.17, that the sum of these densities for any discriminant must be $1/2.$ A little fiddling, not mentioned in the book, shows that each genus (of a fixed discriminant $\Delta$) represents the same total density, something we really want because of the relationship between genera and arithmetic progressions of primes.</p> <p>From an earlier answer by David Hansen it would appear that the only missing ingredient is a comparison between Dirichlet density and "relative density." I have never been sure on this point, does a positive binary form represent the same relative density of primes as its Dirichlet density? Anyway, see: <a href="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/25402/is-the-green-tao-theorem-true-for-primes-within-a-given-arithmetic-progression/25403#25403" rel="nofollow">http://mathoverflow.net/questions/25402/is-the-green-tao-theorem-true-for-primes-within-a-given-arithmetic-progression/25403#25403</a> </p> <p>My earlier question, about which I should say that I have come to believe there is no upper bound on the length of intervals represented, despite the great difficulty finding examples: <a href="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/23943/can-a-positive-binary-quadratic-form-represent-14-consecutive-numbers" rel="nofollow">http://mathoverflow.net/questions/23943/can-a-positive-binary-quadratic-form-represent-14-consecutive-numbers</a></p> <p>On the Green-Tao theorem itself:</p> <p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math.NT/0404188" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/math.NT/0404188</a> </p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green%E2%80%93Tao_theorem" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green%E2%80%93Tao_theorem</a> </p> <p>same-day EDIT: I looked up Dirichlet density on wikipedia. As relates to the earlier David Hansen answer I liked, wikipedia stops short of saying that the Dirichlet density of primes in an arithmetic progression is identical to the relative density. Personally, I cannot see how the relative density could be anything else, but that is just my opinion. So I think I am also asking for references that prove the relative density is equal to the Dirichlet density in some naturally-occurring situations. </p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirichlet_density" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirichlet_density</a></p> <p>Later on the same day EDIT: There is stronger language in this next wikipedia page, so I think we can conclude that for primes in an arithmetic progression the Dirichlet density and the relative density are equal, but I would still like a more substantial reference. I'm the nervous type. I worry.</p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chebotarev%27s_density_theorem" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chebotarev%27s_density_theorem</a> </p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/28047/the-green-tao-theorem-and-positive-binary-quadratic-forms/28069#28069 Answer by Kevin Ventullo for The Green-Tao theorem and positive binary quadratic forms Kevin Ventullo 2010-06-13T21:55:10Z 2010-06-14T05:31:34Z <p>Edit: {The answer to your question, "...do we already know that a positive binary form represents arbitrarily long arithmetic progressions?" is yes. See the second paragraph below.}</p> <p>If the relative density exists, so does the Dirichlet density and they are equal. The converse is not true in general. For primes in a given arithmetic progression, both densities exist. See Lang's Algebraic Number Theory, Ch. VIII.4 and XV. Given those facts, one approach to the problem would be trying to show that the relative density of the set of primes represented by a positive binary quadratic form actually exists (I have no idea how hard this might be). </p> <p>On the other hand, if you only want to know about a.p.'s of primes represented by a positive quadratic form, a better approach might be answering the question, "Does Green-Tao still hold for sets of primes with positive Dirichlet density?" The answer is yes since G-T only requires that the limsup of the relative density be positive, and positive Dirichlet density implies positive limsup (if the limsup were 0, the lim would be 0).</p>