Approximate solutions for trisecting the angle or squaring the circle - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net 2013-06-19T07:02:23Z http://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/19496 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19496/approximate-solutions-for-trisecting-the-angle-or-squaring-the-circle Approximate solutions for trisecting the angle or squaring the circle Ewan Delanoy 2010-03-27T09:27:30Z 2013-04-25T20:46:50Z <p>Hello all, it is well-known by transcendence results or Galois theory that famous geometric problems such as trisecting an angle or "squaring the circle" (i.e. given a disk of radius 1 construct a square of equal area) are not solvable by compasses-and-ruler only constructions. On the other side, it is equally well-known, by approximation results such as Weierstrass', that given any $\varepsilon >0$ there is a definite construction process that yields an approximate solution which is correct up to $\varepsilon$. Of course, the obvious solution is to compute the coordinates of the points you need up to the precision you need, and then place the points. This solution however relies on some classical function tables (cosine, arc cosine or the decimal expansion of $\sqrt{\pi}$) and I am wondering if there is a more "purely geometric solution" needing no calculator or tables. Specifically, for angle trisection, one could ask the following :</p> <p>Define explicitly a compasses-and-ruler only algorithm with the following properties :</p> <p>Initial data : a circle with center O and radius 1 cm, two points I and J on that circle such that IOJ is a straight angle, and a point M on the arc between I and J. Let us call N the point on that arc such that the angle ION is one third of IOM. The algorithm must return a point N' which is undistinguishable from N to the naked eye, and must not rely on any calculator or tables.</p> <p>Either that question is interesting or it isn't. If it isn't, the "shortest number of steps" solution has a large number of steps and is only a complicated reformulation of the compute-coordinates-with-calculator method.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19496/approximate-solutions-for-trisecting-the-angle-or-squaring-the-circle/19500#19500 Answer by Nurdin Takenov for Approximate solutions for trisecting the angle or squaring the circle Nurdin Takenov 2010-03-27T10:10:51Z 2010-03-27T10:17:50Z <p>Well, for trisection it's very simple. You could divide angle into $2^n$ parts, then just take $\lfloor\frac{2^n}{3}\rfloor$ parts. Of course it could be made as close to one third as you want, but might be hard to do. </p> <p>For circling the square - draw the $2^n$-gon, then a rectangle with sides $a_n \cdot 2^n$ and $R/2$ where $a_n$ - is the side of the $2^n$-gon$, and R - is the radius of inscribed circle. then it's easy to transform rectangle into square. </p> <p>I think it's not harder then constructing the 65537-gon</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19496/approximate-solutions-for-trisecting-the-angle-or-squaring-the-circle/19545#19545 Answer by John Jiang for Approximate solutions for trisecting the angle or squaring the circle John Jiang 2010-03-27T21:04:01Z 2010-03-27T21:21:33Z <p>For squaring the circle, it seems easiest to first measure the radius$r$of the circle, and then trying to construct an arbitrarily good approximation of the length$ r \sqrt(\pi)$using$r$as the unit length, which must lie in the infinite quadratic extension of the rational. Then use that as the sidelength of the square. An interesting question would be how efficient one could make this process to be. Circling the square can be done using a similar quadratic approximation of$\sqrt(1/\pi)\$. </p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19496/approximate-solutions-for-trisecting-the-angle-or-squaring-the-circle/19555#19555 Answer by John Mangual for Approximate solutions for trisecting the angle or squaring the circle John Mangual 2010-03-27T23:04:58Z 2010-03-27T23:04:58Z <p>It is possible to trisect an angle exactly with <a href="http://www.math.lsu.edu/~verrill/origami/trisect/" rel="nofollow">origami</a>. Based on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzita%25E2%2580%2593Hatori_axioms" rel="nofollow">Huzita Axioms</a>, the numbers constructible by Origami <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math.HO/9912039/" rel="nofollow">form a field</a> are a field strictly larger than the field of compass-and-straightedge constructible numbers. You can also <a href="http://kahuna.merrimack.edu/~thull/omfiles/geoconst.html" rel="nofollow">double the cube</a> with origami.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19496/approximate-solutions-for-trisecting-the-angle-or-squaring-the-circle/19559#19559 Answer by Matt Noonan for Approximate solutions for trisecting the angle or squaring the circle Matt Noonan 2010-03-27T23:49:07Z 2010-03-27T23:49:07Z <p>You can get approximate trisections using the geometric series $$\frac{1}{2} - \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{8} - \frac{1}{16} + \cdots = \frac{1}{3}$$ Geometrically, take your angle and halve it; take the bottom half and halve it again; take the top half of <i>that</i> and halve it again, etc.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19496/approximate-solutions-for-trisecting-the-angle-or-squaring-the-circle/19567#19567 Answer by Leah Wrenn Berman for Approximate solutions for trisecting the angle or squaring the circle Leah Wrenn Berman 2010-03-28T01:31:32Z 2010-03-28T01:31:32Z <p>Do you know about the (Archimedean) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_trisection#With_a_marked_ruler" rel="nofollow">solution to trisecting the angle if you allow a marked ruler?</a> </p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19496/approximate-solutions-for-trisecting-the-angle-or-squaring-the-circle/71924#71924 Answer by Kitts Danewegh for Approximate solutions for trisecting the angle or squaring the circle Kitts Danewegh 2011-08-02T19:49:39Z 2011-08-02T19:49:39Z <p>If the solutions existed by pencil, compass, straight edge(all straight edges lead to compass ability to mark units for reference measure and paper scaling) for trisection, circle squaring with the linear drawing of Pi on scaled paper, and doubling of cube with linear drawing of cubed root of two on scaled paper, all done with simple basic geometric constructs, what would you do with them? These can be done(not published yet) just as is done for the square roots of 2 and 3 drawn accurately from Pythagorean right triangle relationships to scaled paper. But what then? </p>