What is the etymology for the term conductor? - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net 2013-05-22T08:14:12Z http://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/19264 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19264/what-is-the-etymology-for-the-term-conductor What is the etymology for the term conductor? Jamie Weigandt 2010-03-25T02:52:53Z 2010-03-25T16:07:47Z <p>This is related to the previous question of how to define a conductor of an elliptic curve or a Galois representation.</p> <blockquote> <p>What motivated the use of the word "conductor" in the first place?</p> </blockquote> <p>A friend of mine once pointed out the amusing idea that one can think of the conductor of an elliptic curves as "someone" driving a train which lets you off at the level of the associated modular form.</p> <p>A similar statement can be made concerning Szpiro's conjecture, which provides asymptotic bounds on several invariants of an elliptic curve in terms of its conductor. Here one might think of the conductor as "someone" who controls this symphony of invariants consisting of the minimal discriminant, the real period, the modular degree, and the order of the Shafarevich-Tate group (assuming BSD).</p> <p>Was there some statement of this sort which motivated Artin's original definition of the conductor?</p> <hr> <p>Does anyone have a reference for the first appearance of the word conductor in this context?</p> <hr> <p>I apologize if this question is inappropriate for MO.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19264/what-is-the-etymology-for-the-term-conductor/19265#19265 Answer by KConrad for What is the etymology for the term conductor? KConrad 2010-03-25T03:01:45Z 2010-03-25T03:14:23Z <p>It is a translation from the German Führer (which also is the reason that in older literature, as well as a fair bit of current literature, the conductor is denoted as f in various fonts). Originally the term conductor appeared in complex multiplication and class field theory: the conductor of an abelian extension is a certain ideal that controls the situation. Then it drifted off into other areas of number theory to describe parameters that control other situations.</p> <p>Of course in English we tend not to think of conductor as a leader in the strong sense of Führer, but more in a musical sense, so it seems like a weird translation. But back in the 1930s the English translation was leader rather than conductor, at least once: see the review of Fueterâ€™s book on complex multiplication in the 1931 Bulletin of the Amer. Math. Society, page 655. The reviewer writes in the second paragraph "First there is a careful treatment of those ray class fields whose leaders are multiples of the ideal..." You can find the review yourself at <a href="http://www.ams.org/bull/1931-37-09/S0002-9904-1931-05214-9/S0002-9904-1931-05214-9.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ams.org/bull/1931-37-09/S0002-9904-1931-05214-9/S0002-9904-1931-05214-9.pdf</a>.</p> <p>I stumbled onto that reference quite by chance (a couple of years ago). If anyone knows other places in older papers in English where conductors were called leaders, please post them as comments below. Thanks!</p> <p>Concerning Artin's conductor, he was generalizing to non-abelian Galois extensions the parameter already defined for abelian extensions and called the conductor. So it was natural to use the same name for it in the general case.</p> <p>Edit: I just did a google search on "leader conductor abelian" and the first hit is this answer. Incredible: it was posted less than 15 minutes ago!</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19264/what-is-the-etymology-for-the-term-conductor/19270#19270 Answer by David Dynerman for What is the etymology for the term conductor? David Dynerman 2010-03-25T03:31:23Z 2010-03-25T03:31:23Z <p>The first time I ever saw a conductor defined is not in the sense mentioned above, but in linear algebra, from Hoffman &amp; Kunze's book. In their chapter on elementary canonical forms they define the conductor of vector $\alpha$ into a subspace $W$ with respect to a linear operator $T$ to be the ideal</p> <blockquote> <p><code>$S_T(\alpha;W) = \{ g \in F[x] \mid g(T)\alpha \in W \}$</code></p> </blockquote> <p>Where the ambient vector space is over the field $F$. Interestingly, they say that they themselves call this the 'stuffer' ideal (from German, das eistopfende Ideal), but claim that "Conductor" is more commonly used, and add that this term is</p> <p>"preferred by those who envision a less aggressive operator $g(T)$, gently leading the vector $\alpha$ into $W$."</p> <p>Hoffman &amp; Kunze, Linear Algebra 2nd Edition, p. 201</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/19264/what-is-the-etymology-for-the-term-conductor/19323#19323 Answer by Franz Lemmermeyer for What is the etymology for the term conductor? Franz Lemmermeyer 2010-03-25T16:07:47Z 2010-03-25T16:07:47Z <p>"Es steht alles schon bei Dedekind", as Emmy Noether was fond of saying. In fact,</p> <ul> <li>R. Dedekind, <em>&Uuml;ber die Anzahl der Idealklassen in den verschiedenen Ordnungen eines endlichen K&ouml;rpers</em>, Gauss Festschrift 1877</li> </ul> <p>defined the "F&uuml;hrer" of an order in a number field. [BTW: in German, F&uuml;hrer does not actually mean a strong leader but rather someone who guides you (as in tourist guide). But of course . . . ]</p> <p>Class groups of orders in quadratic number fields are ring class groups, which generalize immediately to ray class groups (Weber); from there the word spread to complex multiplication and class field theory.</p>