How do you become a good listener? - MathOverflow

How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-20T18:36:30Z

Often I find myself just taking notes during lectures and not really following what is said. This has always been an issue for me, I do not seem to learn anything in the classroom. Instead the learning process starts right after when going through the notes.

On the other hand, I do somewhat feel more involved when attending to seminars (I have not attended to many), even though the subject is more advanced and sometimes way above my level.

I guess this is kind of a vague question, but are there any good techniques on how to become a good listener (the question can be split in two: one where you need to take complete notes, such as during a class, and the other case, e.g. seminars)?

Answer by elfking for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-20T18:54:52Z

This is how I take notes in lectures:

First listen to the lecturer
Either when a fair amount of things have been said and you still haven't figured it out; or when you got the point already, then start writing things down. In the first case it is safest to copy down everything, while in the second case it is better to write it down your own way (presuming you have a book to check back later for details).
Repeat the cycle.

Most of the time, I leave the lecture hall feeling like I get the general idea, which is helpful when I review the material later on. However, I think it really depends a lot on your writing speed: I write pretty fast, and stopping to take notes doesn't cause a problem. If I wrote only with half that speed, I'd probably use a different strategy.

Answer by Kristal Cantwell for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-20T18:58:50Z

There is a previous discussion here on taking notes on lectures. In it some of the issues you raise are discussed namely that note taking can interfere with concentration on a lecture.

Answer by Ben Weiss for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-20T19:23:53Z

The best advice I ever received was from Jordan Ellenberg, I hope he doesn't mind my rephrasing of it here. When sitting in a seminar, try to figure out an interesting question to ask the speaker. This will ensure that you listen to enough of the talk that you learn something interesting (it doesn't have to be the main part of the talk, but anything you enjoy in the talk), and spend time focusing your thoughts around the subject.

Answer by Deane Yang for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-20T19:24:23Z

This is perhaps not a particularly useful or practical suggestion, but here goes: Ask questions. Interrupt the lecturer every time you get lost. Of course, if you really do this, you'll get a lot more out of the lecture, but the lecturer, as well as at least some of the others in the audience, might get very annoyed.

Or try to attend lectures or seminars where there is someone else who will do the above.

I personally find any passive approach to learning mathematics (i.e., listening to a lecture or reading a paper or book) very difficult at best. I learn only when I get to interact with the other person or work stuff out on paper myself.

So for a class, I used to concentrate on taking notes and would study them later. I didn't worry too much about understanding everything during class. For seminars, I also don't worry too much about understanding things too precisely at a lecture; I just try to understand enough to decide whether I want to devote some effort later to learn about the topic more properly. Unless it's an exceptionally well presented seminar talk, I tend not to take notes and look for other written materials later, if I decide I want to learn more.

Answer by Peter Arndt for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-20T20:06:07Z

You could also ask yourself if do not have another type of benefit from lectures. For me it is often not the case that I understand much during a lecture, but just the fact that I see someone who knows the subject handling it live before my eyes changes a lot:

To see what parts of an unknown matter the speaker emphasizes or labels as deep, and what is standard facts, or useful knowledge imported from other areas (and thus not in the focus of the story being told) makes a big difference for me when trying to understand the stuff later. When I sit down to study, I then have the feeling that I am following a road which will lead somewhere, which is often not the case when I just have big text in front of me. Having made the experience that someone could give an outline within, say, one hour also just makes it less intimidating. Also, even if after a talk I could not repeat a single line of what the speaker was saying, I often find myself surprised by being able to come up with details from that talk a year later - I think just the fact that the mathematics comes with a voice, gestures, a handwriting and all other kinds of perceptions makes it stick better in my long term memory and thus gives it a better chance to fall into place later.

If taking notes distracts you from this kind of benefit, you might consider just copying someone else's notes, and paying attention to the whole situation during a talk...

Answer by Douglas Zare for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-20T21:33:32Z

Prepare in advance.

You will probably get the most out of classes if you read the text ahead of time. This varies by the lecturer's style, but try at least skimming the material (or notes from the last class if there is no text). You don't have to understand 100% of the material before the lecture. Try to identify material that you don't know, and pay special attention to that during class. If you still don't understand, then try to ask at least one question during class, and if that doesn't satisfy you, ask the instructor after class. When you do understand the text, look for differences between the text and the instructor's presentation, both in material and emphasis. If the material is easy, ask yourself how you would present it if you were teaching the class.

When you attend a research lecture, try to do your homework ahead of time, too! Try to find an expository article, or read a few reviews and abstracts of papers in related areas so you know what people in that field find interesting, what is hard, what the key examples are, what techniques seem effective, and what the connections are with other areas. The first 5-15 minutes of the talk may be similar, and they are critical. Understanding the details of a technical talk does little good if you do not know the context.

Listen actively.

Keep a few examples in mind. How do the results compare with the basic examples? How much progress is there toward the examples people want to understand? What are the differences between the later examples and basic examples?

Try to understand where you are on the road map for the talk/course/the book which will eventually be written about the theory being developed.

Answer by Kevin Lin for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-21T00:16:32Z

You might be interested in reading the advice of Ravi Vakil -- see in particular the section "On seminars".

Answer by unknown (google) for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-21T08:34:51Z

How to listen to a maths lecture (by Tom Körner)

Answer by S Lir for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-21T15:04:48Z

Listening is a very broad topic. I will focus mainly on listening to a math talk with the hope of extracting something useful from it.

I find taking notes during a talk helps. I simply write some key words. If the speaker emphasizes a point, I write it down, even if it does not make sense at the time. I might later google some of the key terms. So on...

People who don't write fast enough, or who are new to attending math talks, might find useful a digital recorder running on a timer. Jot down the time when an important point or example was made and some of the ideas surrounding it, maybe also the notation; then go back later if needed. You may want to save both the recorded talk, and via a digital camera in text mode, digitize your notes and place them in a folder adding some key words easily searched later if needed.

As Ravi puts it in these Notes (Thanks Kevin Lin for the link), one is never sure where new ideas are coming from, or where the seed of a solution to a problem one has been working on is going to come from. Sometimes, a new idea may come from listening to a talk on something seemingly disjointed from one's work.

Answer by Scarlet for How do you become a good listener?

2010-02-21T19:30:45Z

I have the same problem when I am listening to something challenging(i.e. not the undergraduate math club). For me, one of the most helpful things I can do is that once a definition is given, I construct both examples and constructions that almost fit the definition but do not fit one of the criteria. I then check how these work(or fail) with the theorems presented and the claims made. If you find a simple example and are having trouble following, the person lecturing will probably be happy explaining how the concepts presented relate to your example.

Another idea that helps is for me to read all the material beforehand, no matter how confused I am. Then I can pay attention to how it is structured in class. Even if I do not understand the lecture, contrasting the structures of the reading and of the lecture can give me deeper understanding of the material. In addition, since I (like to think I ) understand how to structure a lecture, it gives me something I can understand to pay attention to.

Lastly, I think it is important to be forgiving of oneself. Think of paying attention to a lecture like being focused when meditating. If you find your attention wandering, just refocus on the matter at hand. Try not to get caught up in a cycle of being frustrated that your attention wandered.