What ordinals are definable relations in Peano Arithmetic? - MathOverflow

What ordinals are definable relations in Peano Arithmetic?

2012-11-01T16:56:11Z

I am not asking which order types PA proves are well ordered. That would be all up to $\epsilon_0$. Rather I mean, assuming a stronger ambient theory such as Zermelo set theory, which ordinals have the order type of some relation on $\mathbb{N}$ that is defined by a formula of PA (not requiring that PA prove the relation is a well ordering).

Answer by Andreas Blass for What ordinals are definable relations in Peano Arithmetic?

2012-11-01T17:21:26Z

These are the recursive ordinals. The same well-order-types can be realized by recursive relations as by hyperarithmetical relations. PA-definable, i.e., arithmetical, falls nicely between these two. (I think you can go considerably lower, say to PTime-computable relations, and still have the same order-types.)

Answer by Joel David Hamkins for What ordinals are definable relations in Peano Arithmetic?

2012-11-01T17:22:30Z

The answer is the ordinal $\omega_1^{ck}$, named after Church and Kleene, which is defined to be the supremum of the ordinals coded by a computable relation on $\mathbb{N}$. It happens also to be the supremum of the order types of the relations coded by any arithmetic relation, that is, by any relation definable in the language of arithmetic.

Answer by Henry Towsner for What ordinals are definable relations in Peano Arithmetic?

2012-11-01T17:22:44Z

The computable ordinals---that is, the ordinals below $\omega_1^{CK}$---are, by definition, represented by computable relations, all of which can be represented by formulas in PA, and indeed, even by fairly simple formulas. As Andreas points out, allowing arithmetic formulas instead of computable ones does not change the class of ordinals.