Origin of the theorem on the existence of the smallest field of definition of an affine variety - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net 2013-05-25T22:44:59Z http://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/110939 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://mathoverflow.net/questions/110939/origin-of-the-theorem-on-the-existence-of-the-smallest-field-of-definition-of-an Origin of the theorem on the existence of the smallest field of definition of an affine variety Makoto Kato 2012-10-28T21:00:49Z 2012-10-29T04:36:13Z <p>Weil proved the following theorem in his book Foundations of Algebraic Geometry, p.19. The proof is somewhat involved. I wonder if the theorem is his original.</p> <p><strong>Theorem</strong> Let $K[X_1,\dots, X_n]$ be the polynomial ring over a field $K$. Let $I$ be an ideal of $K[X_1,\dots, X_n]$. There exists a smallest subfield $k$ of $K$ such that $I$ is generated by polynomials in $k[X_1,\dots,X_n]$.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/110939/origin-of-the-theorem-on-the-existence-of-the-smallest-field-of-definition-of-an/110945#110945 Answer by Benjamin Dickman for Origin of the theorem on the existence of the smallest field of definition of an affine variety Benjamin Dickman 2012-10-28T21:57:48Z 2012-10-29T03:34:04Z <p>I suspect that this theorem is indeed due to Weil. </p> <p>"Foundations of Algebraic Geometry" by Weil was published in 1946, but the 1944 paper "<a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/1990140" rel="nofollow">Some Properties of Ideals in Rings of Power Series</a>" by Claude Chevalley (Transactions of the American Mathematical Society, Vol. 55, No. 1 (Jan., 1944), pp. 68-84) attributes to Weil the development of the theory around "ideals in polynomial rings" over a decade earlier in "Arithmetique et geometrie sur les varietes algebriques" in 1935 (see footnote on p. 83).</p> <p>Reading the <a href="http://www.ams.org/journals/bull/1936-42-09/S0002-9904-1936-06368-8/S0002-9904-1936-06368-8.pdf" rel="nofollow">AMS review</a> it seems the only other possible originators would have been Siegel, or perhaps Noether or van der Waeden. I don't have a copy of Weil's 1935 work, but you might track it down and (if you can read enough French) check for this particular result.</p> <hr> <p><strong>Edit:</strong> For remarks which are perhaps related/interesting (in terms of Weil's background and his familiarity with Kronecker's work) read from the last paragraph of page 12 <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=YLcPxfZW47EC&amp;lpg=PA13&amp;ots=M9cEaHHZzY&amp;dq=%2522field%2520of%2520definition%2522%2520kronecker&amp;pg=PA12#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">here</a> and the referenced <a href="http://www.mathunion.org/ICM/ICM1950.2/Main/icm1950.2.0090.0102.ocr.pdf" rel="nofollow">ICM address</a> by Weil in 1950.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/110939/origin-of-the-theorem-on-the-existence-of-the-smallest-field-of-definition-of-an/110950#110950 Answer by Jim Humphreys for Origin of the theorem on the existence of the smallest field of definition of an affine variety Jim Humphreys 2012-10-29T00:04:32Z 2012-10-29T01:01:30Z <p>As far as I can see, Weil was indeed the main source for this viewpoint on fields of definition in algebraic geometry. However, it may be hard to pin down the specific result quoted here in his 1935 paper. This paper is probably most readily found in the first volume of Weil's papers published by Springer, but the later book presents his notion of variety and the related field theory (with generic points) in far more detail. </p> <p>What I'd like to add is a reference to Dieudonne's book <em>History of Algebraic Geometry</em> (especially VII.4). This was first published in French in 1974 and then in English translation in 1985. Dieudonne took a strong interest in this kind of history and assembled a lot of material about older origins of ideas while emphasizing the key role played by Weil. Naturally names like van der Waerden, E. Noether, and Siegel are part of that history as well. </p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/110939/origin-of-the-theorem-on-the-existence-of-the-smallest-field-of-definition-of-an/110954#110954 Answer by xbnv for Origin of the theorem on the existence of the smallest field of definition of an affine variety xbnv 2012-10-29T01:32:52Z 2012-10-29T04:36:13Z <p>This has a very easy proof if one generalizes it to (infinite-dimensional) linear algebra and forgets about commutative algebra. Let $K/F$ be an extension of fields (e.g., could take $F$ to be a prime field), $V$ an $F$-vector space (such as a polynomial ring over a prime field), and $W$ a $K$-subspace of $V_K := K \otimes_F V$. </p> <p>Among all subfields $K_0$ of $K$ over $F$ such that $W = K \otimes_{K_0} W_0$ for a (visibly unique) $K_0$-subspace $W_0$ of $V_{K_0}$, we claim that the intersection of these fields works too. </p> <p>(In case $V$ is an $F$-algebra and $W$ is an ideal of $V_K$, obviously $W_0$ is an ideal of $V_{K_0}$, so this really does imply Weil's result. In fact, it gives a more general result: no need to assume the algebras are finitely generated.)</p> <p>Proof: Choose an $F$-basis <code>$\{v_i\}_{i \in I}$</code> of $V$, so there is a subset $J$ of $I$ such that <code>$\{v_j \bmod W\}_{j \in J}$</code> is a $K$-basis of $V/W$. For $i' \in I - J$, expand $v_{i'} \bmod W \in V/W$ in this basis:<br> $$v_{i'} \equiv \sum_{j \in J} a_{i'j} v_j \bmod W$$ with $a_{i'j} \in K$. The necessary and sufficient condition on $K_0$ for $W_0$ to exist is that $K_0$ contains every $a_{i'j}$ (for $j \in J$ and $i' \in I - J$). So the subfield $F(a_{i'j})_{i', j}$ is the desired minimal subextension of $K$ over $F$. QED</p> <p>There is a very elegant modern discussion of the theme of field of definition (for closed subschemes, morphisms, etc.) without any finiteness hypotheses in EGA IV$_2$, 4.8.</p>