$\lambda$-ring structure defined for a graded ring in Fulton-Lang's book - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net 2013-06-20T06:58:00Z http://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/108409 http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdf http://mathoverflow.net/questions/108409/lambda-ring-structure-defined-for-a-graded-ring-in-fulton-langs-book $\lambda$-ring structure defined for a graded ring in Fulton-Lang's book Mahdi Majidi-Zolbanin 2012-09-29T15:36:41Z 2012-09-30T14:36:48Z <p>Given a commutative ring $A$ with unity, Grothendieck used universal polynomials to define a <em>special</em> $\lambda$-ring structure on $\Lambda(A):=1+t\:A[[t]]$. Suppose $A$ is graded, say $A=\bigoplus_{i=o}^\infty A_i$. In <strong>Riemann-Roch Algebra</strong>, p. 11, Fulton and Lang define <code>$\Lambda^{\circ}(A):=\{1+a_1t+a_2t^2\ldots\mid a_i\in A_i\}$</code>. Then on page 15 they state that since the product and $\lambda$ operations of $\Lambda(A)$ take $\Lambda^\circ(A)$ to itself, $\Lambda^\circ(A)$ becomes a $\lambda$-ring (without unit). They use this $\lambda$-ring structure of $\Lambda^\circ(A)$ in proof of Theorem 3.1 on p. 16.</p> <p>However, a straightforward computation shows that the product in $\Lambda(A)$ does <em>not</em> take $\Lambda^\circ(A)$ to itself. For example, if $1+a_1t+a_2t^2\ldots$ and $1+b_1t+b_2t^2\ldots$ are elements in $\Lambda^\circ(A)$, then their product using the product of $\Lambda(A)$ is given by $1+P_1(a_1;b_1)t+P_2(a_1,a_2;b_1,b_2)t^2+\ldots$, where $P_1,P_2,\ldots$ are certain universal polynomials. But $P_1(a_1;b_1)$ turns out to be $a_1b_1$ (<a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&amp;pid=sites&amp;srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxkYXJpamdyaW5iZXJnfGd4OjEwNzljZThlNDcwMGE5YmU" rel="nofollow">see here</a>, p. 22) and $a_1b_1$ is not in $A_1$, which shows the product is not in $\Lambda^\circ(A)$.</p> <p><strong>Question.</strong> Is there an error in the book? If yes, can it be fixed? </p> <p><strong>Edit.</strong> If you know other errors in this book that one should be aware of, please share it here.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/108409/lambda-ring-structure-defined-for-a-graded-ring-in-fulton-langs-book/108414#108414 Answer by Baptiste Calmès for $\lambda$-ring structure defined for a graded ring in Fulton-Lang's book Baptiste Calmès 2012-09-29T17:02:35Z 2012-09-29T17:02:35Z <p>I'm not sure what product you are thinking of on $\Lambda^0(A)$, but the one I'm thinking of, and the one that I believe is implicitly used in Fulton-Lang is the usual product on power series. So in particular, $(1+a_1 t+\cdots)\cdot (1+b_1 t+\cdots) = 1 + (a_1 + b_1)t + \cdots$.</p> <p>There is no problem of grading.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/108409/lambda-ring-structure-defined-for-a-graded-ring-in-fulton-langs-book/108415#108415 Answer by darij grinberg for $\lambda$-ring structure defined for a graded ring in Fulton-Lang's book darij grinberg 2012-09-29T17:03:48Z 2012-09-29T21:33:40Z <p>This is not an answer, as I don't exactly know what Fulton and Lang are trying to achieve with the $\lambda$-ring structure on $\Lambda^{\circ}\left(A\right)$ (I must admit that, while I had the quixotic intent to read and rewrite Fulton-Lang's Chapter I in the notes that you cited, I never found the resolve to walk that talk). I can confirm your counterexample.</p> <p>What I think can be done (don't know if it is of any help) is the following: For every $i\in\mathbb N$, let $\Lambda^{i}_{\circ}\left(A\right)$ be the subset of $\Lambda\left(A\right)$ consisting of all formal power series of the form $1+a_1t+a_2t^2+a_3t^3+...$ with every $k$ satisfying $a_k\in A^{ik}$. Then, each such $\Lambda^{i} _ {\circ}\left(A\right)$ is an additive subgroup of $\Lambda\left(A\right)$, and the direct sum $\bigoplus\limits_{i\in\mathbb N}\Lambda^{i}_{\circ}\left(A\right)$ is well-defined and a sub-$\lambda$-ring of $\Lambda\left(A\right)$. (This is easy to prove by means of the usual grading on the ring of symmetric functions.) This sub-$\lambda$-ring, of course, is graded (and does have a $1$). I have no idea in how far it is what Fulton and Lang wanted.</p> <p>We could also construct a greater graded sub-$\lambda$-ring of $\Lambda\left(A\right)$ by allowing $i$ rational (with $A^x$ defined as $0$ when $x\not\in\mathbb Z$), but then it will be graded by rationals. This greater graded sub-$\lambda$-ring is actually dense in $\Lambda\left(A\right)$ (in the usual topology on formal power series).</p> <p>Does it make sense to replace $\Lambda^{\circ}\left(A\right)$ by $\Lambda^{\geq 1}_{\circ}\left(A\right)$ in the definition of a Chern class homomorphism? I don't know. It seems that most notions in Fulton-Lang are motivated by geometry, and without understanding it I am not the one to judge.</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/108409/lambda-ring-structure-defined-for-a-graded-ring-in-fulton-langs-book/108426#108426 Answer by Maarten Bergvelt for $\lambda$-ring structure defined for a graded ring in Fulton-Lang's book Maarten Bergvelt 2012-09-29T22:28:49Z 2012-09-29T22:28:49Z <p>Hazewinkel in <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/0804.3888.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/pdf/0804.3888.pdf</a> warns about an error on page 15, second paragraph of thie book. In fact he advises to "steer clear" of the book!</p> http://mathoverflow.net/questions/108409/lambda-ring-structure-defined-for-a-graded-ring-in-fulton-langs-book/108429#108429 Answer by James Borger for $\lambda$-ring structure defined for a graded ring in Fulton-Lang's book James Borger 2012-09-30T00:05:41Z 2012-09-30T00:05:41Z <p>As others have said, the definition of the Chern ring there is wrong. But if memory serves, the only mistake is that they forgot to introduce the right multiplication law on the sets of power series they consider. The usual one in the theory is given by the universal formulas for exterior powers of tensor products $\Lambda^n(E\otimes F)$, but the one they want is for Chern classes $c_n(E\otimes F)$. When $n=1$ and $E$ and $F$ are line bundles, the first is multiplication and the second is addition. So it's obviously just an oversight, but one that can be confusing if you're seeing these things for the first time. (In the copy at U Chicago, someone mercifully added a warning note in the margin. There are a few obvious suspects.)</p> <p>If you want a reference where the details are correct, I'd recommend SGA6. Grothendieck's introduction in expose 0 is very clear. Page 28 is where the discussion of the Chern ring starts. If I remember, Berthelot's expose goes into more depth, but I found Grothendieck's easier to read. Berthelot gets to the Chern ring on page 344. Atiyah-Tall is also generally a good reference, but I think they don't cover the Chern ring (although they do introduce the gamma-filtration).</p>