Road to Solovay's Land. - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net2013-05-19T20:15:26Zhttp://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/104450http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdfhttp://mathoverflow.net/questions/104450/road-to-solovays-landRoad to Solovay's Land.Paulo Henrique2012-08-11T00:24:36Z2012-08-11T06:54:15Z
<p>In the first semester of 2012 I took a course in General Topology and Set Theory, at undergraduate level. For topology, I was instructed to use Engelking's <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/General-Topology-Sigma-Series-Mathematics/dp/3885380064" rel="nofollow">General Topology</a></em>; albeit I had a great difficult to approach it, I got used to the text and did (and I'm still doing) some exercises (but none of the problems until now). For the Set Theory course we used Jech & Hrbacek's <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Revised-Expanded-Chapman-Mathematics/dp/0824779150/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344643981&sr=1-1&keywords=hrbacek" rel="nofollow">Introduction to Set Theory</a></em>, which I think was suitable for my level back there. In these courses, I heard about Boolean Algebras, Forcing, Independence Proofs, Models, Topological Games, Kunen's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Independence-Studies-Foundations-Mathematics/dp/0444868399/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344644008&sr=1-3&keywords=kunen" rel="nofollow">book</a> (which I just bought a copy), and others interesting things that caused me to change my favorite mathematical area (in fact I was a physics undergrad student when this year began).</p>
<p>In this semester, I enrolled myself in Measure and Integration course, also at undergraduate level, where I discovered about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solovay_model" rel="nofollow">Solovay's model</a>, which completely drove me to madness. </p>
<p>I'm looking for advice about my background and the path that I have to follow to reach these mentioned topics; is too early to begin? do my background is sufficiently enough to start? And where to begin with ? what books do I have to read?</p>
<p>P.S.: I had no background in mathematical logic, the only thing I can do is some proofs with truth-tables. </p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/104450/road-to-solovays-land/104456#104456Answer by Noah S for Road to Solovay's Land.Noah S2012-08-11T01:53:26Z2012-08-11T01:53:26Z<p>With no background in logic, it's a bit of a long road to Solovay's model; the good news is that every step of it is incredibly interesting!</p>
<p>(Some of this you may already know - I'm just listing a complete roadmap to Solovay.)</p>
<p>To start with, you need a good understanding of what models of ZFC look like. The last couple chapters of Hrbacek/Jech cover this; alternatively, it's at the beginning of Kunen's book.</p>
<p>Then comes forcing. Forcing is basically a way of building models of ZFC "to specification." This is a big deal, since ZFC is a really complicated theory, unlike, say, the theory of rings: while it's very easy to build lots and lots of (models of the theory of) rings, it's incredibly hard to build models of ZFC, and forcing accomplishes this.</p>
<p>The picture of forcing in ZFC is reasonably straightforward (although the details, of course, take a lot of work): you take a model V of ZFC to start with, look at some poset P in V, and the machinery of forcing gives you a* model V[G] containing V with properties that can be discovered reasonably easily by looking at P, and conversely, there are natural strategies for building a P such that the resulting V[G] will have properties you want it to. Playing around with Martin's Axiom might make forcing make a lot more sense; it certainly did for me!</p>
<p>(*OK, actually forcing gives you lots of different models, one for each "generic filter" G of P over V, but for almost all intents and purposes the precise generic filter doesn't matter, and all the information is contained in the poset P alone.)</p>
<p>Now we can prove lots of nice properties about forcing over models of ZFC, including one which for our purposes is actually a bad property: any V[G] is also a model of ZFC. The reason this is bad for us is that Solovay's model is definitely not a model of Choice, so we have to add another layer of complexity: the symmetric submodel construction. By doing some complicated shenanigans** with automorphisms of P, we can build intermediate models W of ZF set theory, containing V and contained in V[G]. Solovay's model is built in this fashion.</p>
<p>(**Specifically, elements of the extension V[G] have "names" in V; the symmetric submodel construction is a way of defining "hereditarily symmetric" names, which are basically names fixed by "a lot" of automorphisms of P (the precise choice of definition of "a lot" determines the properties of the symmetric submodel), and models W consist of the elements of V[G] with hereditarily symmetric names.)</p>
<p>So there's really four different steps in getting to Solovay's model: understanding the ZFC picture of the universe (Hrbacek/Jech's final chapters, or Kunen's intro chapter, do this well); understanding forcing over models of ZFC (Kunen covers this well, as does Jech's gigantic set theory tome); understanding symmetric submodels (this is covered in Jech's big tome, but not Kunen; so it might be a good idea to use Jech throughout); and finally, understanding the details behind Solovay's particular construction (covered in a bunch of sources, including Jech's book). Basically, Jech's giant tome of set theory - "Set Theory," Third Millennium Edition - has everything you need. It's pretty expensive, though.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/104450/road-to-solovays-land/104462#104462Answer by Asaf Karagila for Road to Solovay's Land.Asaf Karagila2012-08-11T06:22:19Z2012-08-11T06:54:15Z<p>Let me give an alternative ending to Noah's road map. The splitting point is at symmetric models.</p>
<p>After you've understood the basics of forcing <em>well</em>, you can switch to Kanamori's <strong>The Higher Infinite</strong>. In the chapter about the real numbers and forcing he again reviews forcing (and if you're new to this - such review is <em>always</em> good) and constructs Solovay's model in a very clear approach.</p>
<p>He avoids [1] talking about symmetric models (which can be a rather complicated tool) by using the "external" construction: we add some sort of generic set to $V$ then we consider an inner model of $V[G]$ which is $HOD(\mathbb R)$ or $L(\mathbb R)$, the latter being thrown around a lot in discussions about models of set theory without choice.</p>
<p>In Kanamori you can find a good introduction to large cardinals (if you haven't run into them in previous steps) which also play a role in Solovay's construction, although that appears in another chapter of the book.</p>
<p>I want to add that studying the construction of symmetric extensions is a good idea. This is an extremely illuminating construction which sheds a lot of light on how set theory works, at least this is how I felt in the past year. However for this particular case I think that using the approach of relative constructibility is better.</p>
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<p><em>Footnotes:</em></p>
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<li>This is not entirely true that Kanamori avoids the symmetric models because as it turns out all symmetric models are $HOD(A)$ (whatever that means) of some generic set $A$. In the case of Solovay's model it is just much simpler to use this sort of construction rather going through the complication of symmetric forcing.</li>
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