Showing that a family of polynomials has positive and real roots. - MathOverflow most recent 30 from http://mathoverflow.net2013-05-21T00:59:10Zhttp://mathoverflow.net/feeds/question/102384http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/rdfhttp://mathoverflow.net/questions/102384/showing-that-a-family-of-polynomials-has-positive-and-real-rootsShowing that a family of polynomials has positive and real roots.Enzo2012-07-16T19:56:50Z2012-08-01T03:43:10Z
<p>Hi everybody, for my research I am dealing with the following function: </p>
<p>$$\alpha_n(x):=\left.\frac{\partial^{2n+1}}{\partial z^{2n+1}}\frac{\sinh(z)}{\cosh(z)-1+x}\right|_{z=0},\quad n\in \mathbb{N},$$</p>
<p>It is possible to show that
$$\alpha_n(x)=\frac{P_n(x)}{x^{n+1}},$$ where $P_n(\cdot)$ is a polynomial of order $n$ in $x$, having integer coeffients.</p>
<p>To make few concrete examples
$$\alpha_0(x)=\frac{1}{x}$$
$$\alpha_1(x)=\frac{-3+x}{x^2}$$
$$\alpha_2(x)=\frac{30-15 x+x^2}{x^3}$$
$$\alpha_3(x)=\frac{-630+420 x-63 x^2+x^3}{x^4}$$
$$\alpha_4(x)=\frac{22680-18900 x+4410 x^2-255 x^3+x^4}{x^5}$$
and so on.</p>
<p>What I would need to show (and it is veryfied for all the special cases I was able to compute, like those above) is that all the roots of $P_n(x)$ (and therefore those of $\alpha_n(x)$) are real and strictly greater than 2. </p>
<p>An explicit albeit complicated expression for $\alpha_n(x)$ can be obtained, namely:</p>
<p><code>\begin{equation*}
\begin{array}{ll}
\alpha_n(x)=&x^{-n-1}\sum_{j=0}^{n} x^{n-j}\sum_{k=j+1}^{n} (2k)!\genfrac{\lbrace}{\rbrace}{0pt}{}{2n+1}{2k}\sum_{i=j}^{k}\left[ {i+1\choose j+1}\binom{2k}{2 i+1}-{i\choose j+1}\binom{2k}{2 i}\right](-2)^{j+1-2k}+\\
&x^{-n-1}\sum_{j=0}^{n} x^{n-j}\sum_{k=j}^{n}{(2k+1)!\genfrac{\lbrace}{\rbrace}{0pt}{}{2n+1}{2k+1}}\sum_{i=j}^{k} \left[ {i+1\choose j+1}\binom{2k+1}{2 i+1}-{i\choose j+1}\binom{2k+1}{2 i}\right](-2)^{j-2k},
\end{array}
\end{equation*}</code></p>
<p>where the number between the curly brakets are the Stirling number of the second kind; Moreover, </p>
<p>$$\alpha_n(2)=-\sum_{k=1}^{2n+1}{k!\genfrac{\lbrace}{\rbrace}{0pt}{}{2n+1}{k}}(-2)^{-k}\neq0.$$</p>
<p>If someone is interested, I can post more on how I got these expressions.
Thanks in advance to everybody that will try to help me.</p>
<p>Best Regards </p>
<p>Enzo</p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/102384/showing-that-a-family-of-polynomials-has-positive-and-real-roots/102403#102403Answer by John Mangual for Showing that a family of polynomials has positive and real roots.John Mangual2012-07-16T23:43:48Z2012-07-17T16:24:04Z<p>How about re-writing with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy%27s_integral_formula" rel="nofollow">Cauchy Residue formula</a>?</p>
<p>$$ \alpha_n(x) = \frac{(2n+1)!}{2\pi i} \oint \frac{dz}{z^{2n+2}}\cdot \frac{\sinh z }{\cosh z -1 + x} $$</p>
<p>Not sure how it helps you find roots or establish they are real.</p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/102384/showing-that-a-family-of-polynomials-has-positive-and-real-roots/102404#102404Answer by David Speyer for Showing that a family of polynomials has positive and real roots.David Speyer2012-07-16T23:44:32Z2012-07-17T14:44:10Z<p>I'm noticing a pattern in the numerators. To avoid getting indices wrong, I'll write out an example:
$$(22680, 18900, 4410, 255, 1) = (36 \times 630, 16 \times 630+21 \times 420, 9 \times 420 + 10 \times 63, 4 \times 63 + 3 \times 1, 1)$$
Here $(36, 21, 10, 3)$ is the odd indexed triangular numbers and $(16, 9, 4,1)$ are the squares.
<hr>
The above recursion translates into the following relation between the $\alpha$'s:
$$\alpha_{n+1} = (x-2) D( x D \alpha_n) + D\alpha_n$$
where $D$ denotes differentiation with respect to $x$.
As Victor points out in the comments below, this recursion is equivalent to the relation
$$D_z D_z f = (x-2) D_x ( x D_x f) + D_x f$$
where $f = \sinh(z)/(\cosh(z)-1+x)$. This latter relation can be verified, without much insight, by typing it into a computer algebra system. </p>
<p>Inductively, suppose that $\alpha_n$ has $n$ real roots, $2 < q_1 < q_2 < \cdots < q_n$. Set $\beta = D \alpha_n$, then by Rolle's theorem $\beta$ has $n-1$ real roots $2 < r_1 < q_1 < r_2 < q_2 < \cdots < r_{n-1} < q_{n}$. Moreover, $\lim_{x \to \infty} \alpha(x)=0$, forcing another root of $\beta$ at $r_n > q_n$. </p>
<p>Using Rolle's theorem again and the fact that $\lim_{x \to \infty} x \beta =0$ again, we see that $D(x \beta)$ has $n$ real roots, $2 < s_1 < r_1 < s_2 < r_2 < \cdots < s_n < r_n$. We make a little chart of the signs of our functions:
<code>$$\begin{array}{rcccccccccc}
x: & 2 & r_1 & s_1 & \cdots & s_{n-2} & r_{n-1} & s_{n-1} & r_n & s_n & \gg s_n \\
\beta: & \pm & 0 & \mp & \cdots & - & 0 & + & 0 & - & - \\
(x-2) D(x \beta) : & 0 & \mp & 0 & \cdots & 0 & + & 0 & - & 0 & + \\
\alpha_{n+1} : & \pm & \mp & \mp & \cdots & - & + & + & - & - & + \\
\end{array}$$</code>
To see the bottom right sign, we note that the dominant term of $\alpha_{n+1}$ is $x^{-1}$, which is positive.</p>
<p>So $\alpha_{n+1}$ changes signs $n+1$ times in $[2, \infty)$, and must have $n+1$ real zeroes
in that range. </p>
<hr>
<p><b>UPDATE</b> Slicker proof for the final steps:
<code>$$\alpha_{n+1}=(x-2) D x \beta + \beta = (x-2) x D \beta + (x-1) \beta = \sqrt{x(x-2)} D \left( \sqrt{x(x-2)} \beta \right)$$</code>
Since $\beta$ has $n$ real roots in $[2, \infty)$, and is $O(x^{-2})$ as $x \to \infty$, Rolle's theorem applied to $\sqrt{x(x-2)} \beta$ shows that $\alpha_{n+1}$ has $n+1$ real roots in $[2, \infty)$.</p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/102384/showing-that-a-family-of-polynomials-has-positive-and-real-roots/102410#102410Answer by Robert Israel for Showing that a family of polynomials has positive and real roots.Robert Israel2012-07-17T01:05:59Z2012-07-17T01:13:20Z<p>It looks to me like the ordinary generating function of $P_n(x)$ is
$$ \sum_{n=0}^\infty P_n(x) s^n = - \sum_{k=0}^\infty \dfrac{(2k+1)! s^k}{2^k \prod_{j=1}^{k+1} (j^2 x s - 1)}$$ </p>
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/102384/showing-that-a-family-of-polynomials-has-positive-and-real-roots/103654#103654Answer by matthias beck for Showing that a family of polynomials has positive and real roots.matthias beck2012-08-01T03:43:10Z2012-08-01T03:43:10Z<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0605678" rel="nofollow">This paper by P. Bränden</a> and <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.0791" rel="nofollow">this paper by M. Visontai & N. Williams</a> give a somewhat general approach to proving real rootedness of polynomials (especially those coming up combinatorially).</p>